Originally published at: Air India Boeing 787 Crashes After Takeoff - AVweb
A Boeing 787 Dreamliner carrying 242 people crashed shortly after takeoff from Ahmedabad, India, on Thursday.
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Sure looks like a loss of power to me although I don’t make out any flaps hanging down ??
I don’t see any flaps in this video, either?
Wing looks very clean on video. Zero flaps?
Gear down, flaps up?
“a British nationalist” Unless you’re intending to make some sort of political statement about this particular individual, I’m assuming you meant “a British national”.
I do not heard engine power on the video, rather strange sounding engines for a 787
How patriotic is he?
Well crud. From now on I’ll have to fight to get seat 11A when traveling.
So I watched two videos. One as the plane was on the takeoff roll, and lifting off, and the other from close to where it crashed. Here’s what I noticed. No flaps. flaps were stowed on the take off run. Second, the gear was never retracted. Third the attitude was constantly pitched up, the nose was never lowered, and it looked like the plane just settled gently down until it hit the ground. There would have been take off warning, configuration messages, all kinds of warnings going on in the cockpit. It’s a sad situation but I doubt engines were the problem. It appears to me that the configuration just prevented the plane from flying. But: why didn’t they retract the gear? why didn’t they abort the takeoff? I"m not a 787 expert, but I know Boeing aircraft very well. I have followed the 787 through design and introduction, including receiving the Boeing videos showing the systems, design etc. I have no business being and armchair quarterback, but I can see things from the videos that are really disturbing.
Only on 787’s thought Arthur!
During a trip to Santo Domingo in a Lear 60, we were dropping our pax off at the GA apron which is immediately next to the air carrier terminal. F/O and I watched a TUI 787 push back from a nearby gate then proceed to taxi past us. Those things are eerily quiet on the ground!
There seems to be engine noise initially but towards the end didn’t seem to be. No flaps visible and gear still down could that be a system failure ?
The pilot told the copilot to raise the gear but the co-pilot mistakenly put the flaps up and then the plane went down.
A seriously mindboggling accident. Not sure about you guys, but seeing a 787 Dreamliner crash is heartbreaking. To me this looks odd. Gear down, flaps up (Config Alerts All Over The Place) and I still think that both Engines must have failed to make this happen.
On the airport footage of the takeoff, there appears to be a lot of dust raised at liftoff. Is this normal at this airport? Or was this an extended takeoff roll lifting off very near the end of the paved surface? Would 5 degrees of flaps be easily observable on either video? In general, I think incorrect inputs resulting in incorrect configuration would be more likely than ignoring TCOWS warnings.
One report I read said the pilot declared a mayday and stated loss of power/thrust. The 787 data recorder records a lot of parameters. Data should point to the probem(s) pretty easily.
I vaguely recall an Airbus incident quite a while back. Some sort of demonstration flight. Crew was doing a low pass down the runway, a/c was not configured correctly, would not throttle up the engines when commanded and it descended into trees.
It does look just like the engines were suddenly throttled back, loss of power. And I read in another publication, a person who said he is an Air India pilot and has flown that aircraft recently, say it has numerous write up in the logs that have gone unanswered. 5 degrees of flaps if that’s what is used, would be hard to detect with these grainy videos. If the boxes are recovered ok, should be an easy one to answer.
The dust came off the overrun at the end of the runway. One video I watched (CW Lemoine) said they did an intersection takeoff with only 6300 ft of runway. High density altitude too. The FDR and CVR should tell us a lot.