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November 2022

andy

Nice picture. Pity about the traffic cones. Oh wait, perhaps they are part of the ground movement situational awareness concept?

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November 2022 ▶ andy

johnbpatson

More like “make sure madame presidente de la region does not have to have her hair done (again) today…”

November 2022

roganderson60

How many motors am I looking at on the device???

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November 2022

gliders

This story illustrates the disturbing and disappointing paradigm at work in the aviation industry regarding new products. All the talk about “partnering”, “consortiums”, etc and the constant gaslighting push that nothing will happen unless a huge number of entities are involved - and, by the way, all of these entities have payrolls and they aren’t gonna participate unless it’s worth their while financially - are attempts at conditioning the culture that this is how things are done. Or, as an alternative, the example of the late Frank Robinson can be emulated. One guy determined a different, simpler, more effective path could be taken, figured out how to do it, and changed the aviation world without multitudes of "partners’ standing in line with outstretched palms which YOU, the consumer, will ultimately fill.

But “we” don’t do things that way any more.

November 2022

Arthur_Foyt

I’m confused; this is just another helicopter, right?

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November 2022 ▶ roganderson60

Samuel_Drake

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November 2022 ▶ Arthur_Foyt

thomas.boyle

Yes, it’s just another helicopter. It is much quieter than a conventional helicopter; it can be “refueled” in places where you wouldn’t want to - or can’t - keep supplies of jet fuel; and in theory it is much cheaper to build, operate and maintain without sacrificing safety, although that is yet to be proven in practice. And, it has much, much shorter range than a conventional helicopter.
Because it’s quieter, doesn’t need jet fuel, and in theory is much cheaper, there is an hypothesis that the “urban air taxi” business model, which isn’t viable for conventional helicopters, could be viable for electric helicopters like this.
But, essentially, yes, it’s just another helicopter.

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November 2022

Samuel_Drake

More of a glorified electric quad-copter except that that it has 12 rotors. Dodeca-copter??

November 2022

jbmcnamee

I wonder what Frank Robinson thought of all the new electric multi-rotor helicopter replacements. That would have been an interesting conversation to have had.

November 2022 ▶ thomas.boyle

Arthur_Foyt

I was thinking as far as terminal security, airspace restrictions, certification standards, and “nuisance factor” of landing in suburban areas. It’s still a helicopter so all that should still apply to flying and landing a helicopter in an air taxi operation, right?

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November 2022

ag4n6

So they are going to fly from where to where to demonstrate the concepts? So this will be a simulated operations station? Why in France, a country so regulated one is not allowed to do their own household repairs and upgrades but must hire outside contractors for everything. They will have to negotiate with both the government and the labor unions for essentially everything they do there. Go figure.

November 2022 ▶ Arthur_Foyt

thomas.boyle

Basically, yes. The nuisance factor should be reduced by the lower noise (and rather different noise signature). I think part of the point of setting up a “vertiport testbed” is to understand issues like how to do terminal security in a way that doesn’t create such severe delays as to eliminate the value of a short-range air taxi. Certification standards are still TBD because while these are “just a helicopter” conceptually, they are quite different in execution. Airspace restrictions would likely not change, as I understand it.