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October 2020

system

Thanks. Looking forward to building a new one!

October 2020

system

Summer 1994. I am flying #3 in a flight of 3 T28’s on our way back home from Oshkosh. Not long out of Osh the weather is looking distinctly disappointing and it appears a plan B is required. At Osh I had bought one of the first portable GPS, so I press the nearest airport button and it tells me Wildrose Wisconsin is 6 miles off our left wing. I tell lead to turn 90 left and 2 minutes later we are over a nice looking grass runway. A low pass confirms the runway condition, a break for landing and we are all down.

As the engines are still tinkling we hear the laboured engine of what turned out to be an ancient pickup truck, driven by the poster child for “ Good old Boy” in the best sense of that word. He heard our arrival and came to see if we needed help. We tell him we are going to hang out until the weather improves. Well he says you boys got to go to the local diner for some pie. So we all pile into the pickup, go to diner and have a piece of excellent pie while getting introduced to what has to be the entire population of Wildrose. 2 hours and 3 cups of coffee later (bad idea given the next flight was 3hrs) and the sun started peeking through. A quick trip out to the airfield and we were on our way. A treasured memory…

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October 2020

system

Yes, most, I mean most of the fondest memories I have of flying were not of the intended destination and what I had set out to do, but, the unintended delay, or, layover due to bad weather and the unfolding events that followed. It is very uncanny how this happens.

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system

I live 8 sm south of W23 and know the place well. Twenty years ago, I built a hangar on the next airfield south of there for ostensibly the same reason … the people who inhabit this rural area of Wisconsin are – quite literally – the salt of the earth. The joke around here is the bet of how many vehicles will pass your car pulled over on the side of the road before someone stops to see if you’re OK or need help. The usual answer is three but it’s usually less. You might be surprised to hear that Basler uses W23 as the “final exam” for people checking out in their DC-3 conversions. They use our grass runway and then transition north. Harrison Ford went to Ripon College and took his first flying lessons at Wild Rose, too. Great place.

October 2020

Bent_Esbensen

“and once in the U.K. where I didn’t quite understand the language or why the beer was warm.”

That’s an easy one, mate: Lucas makes the fridges…

October 2020

Siegfried.lenz

Aged 17 I made a cross-country through Germany in an RF-5 and stopped at Hildesheim to visit the Bottlang “factory” (since acquired by Jeppesen, they made a ring-bound airfield manual for VFR fliers - looking back you could amazingly just walk up the front door and get shown around the place). Got invited by a pilot hanging out at the airport to sleep at his house and when I left the next day, he had called up a local newspaper reporter who interviewed me as a curiosity tramping around in an airplane rather than by train.

October 2020

system

Paul, absolutely brilliant piece, as always!

October 2020

speerstrate

I too have visited Guyman OK . . . I believe I ate something resembling Mexican food at a diner there, probably the same place. Alas, I did not visit the gasworks. I did however find a liquor store and visit the feed lot. Pretty thrilling place that Guyman.

October 2020

system

Great article, Paul! Your description fits the vast majority of pilots’ lounges I’ve encountered. Even those freshly-built. My local hangout had a new Pilots’ Lounge/Terminal (talk about ambitious) constructed and within a week of ribbon-cutting, someone had donated a stack of Trade-A-Planes and Controllers to take the edge off the new-lounge smell. Because while you enjoyed your cup of Pilots Lounge Coffee which had undergone that special 6-hour post-brewing ripening/heat treatment process, the then-current issue was not nearly as much fun to read when you could be going “Holy Cr@p! Six months ago I coulda bought an Apache with no engines or panel for $1500!”

October 2020

system

Oh my gosh Paul! You have absolutely captured it all, in every respect, from top to bottom!

October 2020

system

You described every little pilot lounge I have been in since the mid sixties. As a line boy working my way through college I learned as much from the guys in the lounge as from flying training. Air sense can’t be learned on a computer screen like it can be learned from listening to old pilots. Air Force pilot training was a piece of cake after 300 hours of civilian flying and 1200 hours of lounge time.

October 2020

system

Very nice article Paul! My career was in many-motors both in the AF and civilian after retirement, thus I have not had the opportunities to visit the various icons of the civil world you describe. I have visited a few along the West Coast back in the early 70’s while driving T-29’s for the USAF Nav School at Mather. After all, with 18 cylinders on each wing flailing away trying to escape captivity, sooner or later the banging and clattering will cause one to land nearby rather than try to stretch it home. Not all of those paved airports were large but for the most part they were homey and the people were fantastic. A couple of places had pretty good hamburgers if you got there before mid afternoon when the owner headed home.
The part I miss about the various pilot hangouts, yes we had them in the military as well, from back in the day was listening and participating in the “hanger flying”. Hanger flying seems to be a knowledge resource for young pilots long lost to history. Sure, there was an equal amount of fiction and fact in those tales, but there were nuggets and tidbits to save in both. After all, no one can embellish a story faster than a pilot… I know… been one for over 50 years. The other side of that point is that there were hours upon hours of great entertainment to be had for the young (and young at heart) aviator.
One of the most enjoyable of such sessions occurred approaching the end of my 747 career. My company operated for British Airways for a while out of Stanstead in the UK. We stayed in a small hotel (like every UK hotel that wasn’t one of the global chains) not far from the airport. On one layover, the restaurant was “closed” for a private function so one had to eat at the adjoining bar. The crowd at the function, all male, were certainly no spring chickens. The “lads” at the function were certainly having a great time, were quite lively, and clearly were an aviation oriented group. While finishing the meal at the bar, the bartender asked if I was former military and I replied that I was retired USAF, he knew I was a 74 pilot from long experience there. He went on to explain that the group was all local “lads” that were former RAF from WWII. He proceeded to holler at one of them and told him that I was a 74 driver and former AF as well. Well, I was instantly dragged over to the crowd, a chair was found, and I proceeded to have one of the most entertaining evenings of my life. Just listening to them recount the old stories of their youth from the their time spent saving Britain from the Hun was superbly enjoyable. They probably had told those stories a thousand times but to watch the wrinkled faces turn to smooth, sunburned leather behind flying goggles was simply amazing.

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October 2020

jknox

Paul, one of your best columns (and I am not saying that as an insult ). Up there with the best of Gordon Baxter. Thanks. [Although I prefer the Far Side with the pilot of the airliner saying to the co-pilot “The fuel light is on, Frank. We are all going to die! … Wait, wait uh, my mistake. That’s the intercom light.”

October 2020

catesby

A really excellent piece. Years ago, I was left in charge of our 3 daughters on weekends to give their long-suffering mother a break. Naturally, we spent them at our hometown airport (KIOB). There, they met and interacted with pilots and would-be pilots, passengers, other airport bums, and, most importantly, the WWII veterans who operated the place. None of the daughters (now adults with children of their own) became pilots, but they still talk fondly of those weekends and delight in telling stories (some true) about the many characters whose tales they heard.

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system

David. While you were trucking along in those T-29s, early '70, I’m sure we talked frequently. I was Los Angeles Center during those years and talked to a bunch of those navigator training flights as they proceeded through the desert area east of the mountains, out around Twenty Nine Palms and such.

October 2020

jandbnor

It’s amazing how quickly time passes. When I started flying in the mid-seventies, my steed was a well worn 1938 J-3, long victimized by a past history of windstorms and neglect and scarred by numerous spar splices and welded repairs. But we were a team, exploring every small community airfield and farm strip that we could find within an afternoon’s radius of flying, almost all of which were grass strips.
Paul’s words bring back a flood of memories because the airport lounge at nearly every field we visited was always worthy of a visit. Even now I can still remember the musty smell of old airplane magazines and moisture soaked wood and dusty over-sized lounge cushions guarded by a few dead flies. Like as not, the airport lounge at such fields was usually quiet for the day, almost abandoned, except for the wind whistling through the screen door or the distant popping of, what is now, an elderly John Deere. There was even one grass strip, about 50 miles distant, where you pumped your own gas and left your check in the lounge on the manager’s desk because he trusted everyone. At the same dirt strip, just outside the office, a row of red and silver J-3s stood on their noses, their tails hanging from the rafters. And I’ll never forget the good friends I made in those lounges.
Thanks for the memories, Paul!

October 2020

system

Don’t tell anyone but…

On long road trips and in search of a bathroom and someplace to stretch our legs, I’ll sometimes open up WingX or AirNav and look for the closest airport…

After all, the plastic thingy in my wallet says I’m a pilot, and chances are I do know the lounge combo (or can at least surmise). And it’s not a “I flew in from Kansas in my J3 lounge”…it’s a pilots lounge. I think I qualify.

Nothing like getting away from the big box automobile refueling stations and milling about the local airport.

As much as these small airports are the same, the differences make the stop worthwhile. It’s usually late afternoon and early evening when we make our stop, and no mater the questionable condition of said lounge, it’s always worth the pause.

I then imagine where I would make my base to final turn. Is this place left hand traffic? Bunch of deer and turkeys around this airport, I’d have to keep that in mind. That windsock should be changed out, Keep that in mind to…They do have self-serve, this would make a perfect stop.

Pretty soon, I’m imagining that I am flying in from Kansas in a J3. Problem now is, I’ve got dozens and dozens of small airports on my bucket list.

October 2020

Dave_S

“There are no exclusions based on age or sex—although, bragging about the latter trends inversely with the former.” Paul, you need to copyright that, it is solid gold!!
Great column, paints the perfect picture of pilot lounges everywhere.

October 2020

system

Really enjoyed this, thanks!

October 2020

angelo_c

I see you’ve spent some time at my local airport …clearly you know what it’s like…you got a few "planes " wrong but the locations and conditions were exact…excellent work Paul…as always.

October 2020

jimhanson

Paul–The title mentions “Airport Derelicts”–but even after reading the article, I see that it’s less about the derelict airplanes than it is about the “derelicts” that inhabit the pilot’s lounge. (smile)

I’ve been flying for 59 years–and for 52 of those years, I’ve been the “curator” of the FBO pilot’s lounges. I’ve heard and seen almost all that is discussed in pilot’s lounges–I have a 232-typewritten page manuscript of local pilot stories (ALL TRUE–I SWEAR IT!).

In this business, you’d better love what you’re doing, because the FBO business (and dealing with fellow pilots) becomes your entire life. When we first married, a neighbor asked why I was never home–my wife told her (without a trace of sarcasm)–“Jim’s home is at the airport.”

Excellent job on the description of the Pilot’s Lounge–AND its inhabitants! How about a “write–off” between you and Bertorelli–this time focusing on the AIRPLANE derelicts to be found at airports? Lot’s of high aspirations to be found–“rescuing” and bringing a derelict back to life–and a lot of “school of hard knocks” in facing the realities of restoring a derelict. My two favorite aviation columnists–it would be great to read your separate takes on a subject–BOTH of you put more knowledge and emotion into your writing than any other aviation columnist!

October 2020

David_Finamore

Great piece, Paul. It made me hungry for some stale peanut-butter crackers.

October 2020

Dennis_Rohatyn

The one thing Boeing left out of their report is how many new (that is,
additional) air traffic controllers will be required to maintain what are
already highly imperiled margins of safety at airports around the U.S.
It took nearly 40 years for the supply of qualified ATC to regain the
level of strength that it had prior to Ronald Reagan’s dismantling of
the union. The multiple dangers that this entailed were evident from
the start, but in the last ten years, the number of accidents involving
civil aviation pilots and aircraft has increased by 25%. While “pilot
error” and other factors are responsible for many of these mishaps,
there is no question that the shortage of ATC contributes its share
to the total, and to the many fatalities that result. Boeing cannot
ignore this problem, or evade it by saying that they are a private
company, not a public agency. In this case, the tail of the 737
does wag the police dog–and all too often, bribes it with treats.
To paraphrase Tom Lehrer, “that’s not my department–Boeing
said with a frown” is no excuse for complacency in this matter.
The “union-busting” policies of the Reagan era did incalculable
damage, not only to the airline industry, but to the entire fabric
of American life. It is high time to reverse them–and there is
no better place to begin than where the whole debacle began.
It is not a matter of partisan politics, but of life and death–or
of safety in the starry skies versus burial beneath the ground.

October 2020

system

“…in the last ten years, the number of accidents involving
civil aviation pilots and aircraft has increased by 25%.”

How did this not get reported in the aviation press? Could it be that it’s because it didn’t happen?

October 2020

Siegfried.lenz

This is pure speculation. Nobody knows at this point in time how global or even national / regional air traffic is going to recover.

February 2021

Cathy_Babis

Even though I added a new rating in late 2020, I could not find a similar lounge at my local airport. The admin building had some couches, but no one seemed to hang out there. I went to the EAA hangar, hoping to hang out and only one guy was there and while he was happy to chat for a few minutes, he was busy working on an airplane and I was glad he was gracious with the few minutes he could chat. While driving across the country, I have tried stopping at small airports and find myself treated more like an invader. I’m aware this could have something to do with the post 9/11 era. I grew up at an airport and spent many days and hours at other airports lounging and sharing stories. One thing I remember is that we reached out and welcomed newbies, whether or not they were pilots, and actively invited them to take a seat on our ratty old stuffing-falling-out-of-it couches or rickety folding chairs. I know from the previous comments that this still exists many places. I hope I can find some of them.