Super Hornet Goes Overboard From Harry S. Truman

An F/A-18E Super Hornet and the truck that was towing it fell overboard from the USS Harry Truman when the carrier took evasive action while under attack. The tow vehicle driver managed to jump clear before the $60 million fighter, with the truck still attached tipped over the side into the Red Sea. “The F/A-18E was actively under tow in the hangar bay when the move crew lost control of the aircraft,” the Navy said in a statement. “Sailors towing the aircraft took immediate action to move clear of the aircraft before it fell overboard. An investigation is underway.”


This is a companion discussion topic for the original entry at https://www.avweb.com/aviation-news/super-hornet-goes-overboard-from-harry-s-truman

Does this hold water? Maybe someone with more experience can comment, but it seems unreasonable that a 97,000 ton displacement ship does anything “abruptly”. Also, I would assume carriers don’t do a whole lot of dodging and the screening escorts would do that for them. Please someone with some knowledge educate me.

According to national propaganda outlets, these carriers can turn like a Sea Doo on steroids, listing heavily during the maneuver.

4 propellers, 4 rudders, nuclear power. Yup, they can turn.

During sea trials of a new boat, they turn so hard that it’ll scare ya. So I’d imagine if they were performing a self-defense maneuver, they’d turn just as hard.

What I’m glad about is that the enlisted guys moving the jet weren’t at fault. When this story was first presented – prematurely – nothing was said about evasive maneuvers while under fire. Also glad no serious injuries occurred but I’d imagine the guy riding the brakes that had to jump out had to change his underwear :grin:

I’m not sure if we’ve heard the whole story here…
I was carrier based, three deployments.

Yes, the ship can turn like a son of a gun and I could see how it could get away from you if you weren’t expecting it. I guess the brake rider or wing walkers with chocks were not able to help in this situation. The aircraft was being moved in the hangar bay. When being moved under the deck, things are much slower and precise. There’s not a lot of room down there. The hangar doors to the elevators can comfortably fit one aircraft through at a time. Also, there’s a metal cable with barriers that run along the opening to prevent this sort of thing. Sounds like all the stars aligned for this mishap.

A lot had to go wrong here. A lot had to go right for nobody to injured or killed. We probably won’t hear the rest of the story. Happy everyone is alright though.

How long before a US ship is seriously damaged or worse?

Where are European military forces, given that most of the ship traffic through the Suez Canal is headed to and from Europe. (The RAF may have a ship and a few airplanes in the action.)

The Houthies are a puppet of Iran, as are Hamas and Hezbollah, all vowing to annihilate Jews in the ancient homeland.

No news here it isn’t the first. We lost a Tomcat and tug in the late 70’s on Kitty Hawk.

I presume back then, the internet wasn’t invented or the personal computer and news came from broadcast tv and paper. If it was reported, it may have been in navy news and not public, not reaching the public. It if did make national news, so be it. Much less armchair quarterbacks with America divided for and against the police action of Vietnam. Unfortunately, the internet has brought forth more armchair quarterbacks voicing comments disregarding initial reports with scant info rather than waiting for more information to appreciate how another aircraft was lost overboard during movement. I only had to watch a few videos of US ships showing evasive maneuvers to learn how powerful military ships can turn to explain losing aircraft during a tow. In perspective, losing a $60 million a/c is perhaps the cost of possibly untold millions and lives lost if this aircraft carrier suffered a direct hit from unfriendly fire if it didn’t perform evasive maneuvers.

Anyone remember the USS Cole bombing while in port, Yemen?

Former US Navy, aboard a variety of nuclear and non-nuclear carriers during carrier quals, boat detachments, and combat conditions sea duty, I have worked both flight deck and aircraft maintenance duties under all of the above.

First of all, when the ship is at General Quarters(GQ), the crew is stationed at their assigned battle stations. In the hanger deck, under GQ orders, EVERYTHING is tied down. There is no moving airplanes around, there is no loose tool boxes, tugs, or airplanes. There is no routine maintenance. All routine carrier life ceases at “GQ, GQ, GQ!… this is not a drill!” being loudly blasted and thru multiple internal ways of communication to make sure all personnel are at their assigned battle stations. This carrier would have been at battle station readiness under attack or imminent attack.

Yes,a nuke carrier at 30-40 knots can heel over 10-30 degrees in a hard 180 or evasive maneuver, sending anything not secure, from coffee cups to being rolled out of the sack, to losing airplanes and tugs off the flight deck, but pretty tough to have one go overboard from the hangar bay via the elevator. But at GQ, you have or are supposed to have everything secure both topside and below decks, with all personnel at battle stations. A 180 turn takes over 5 minutes to accomplish from 30 knots…more at 40 knots.

You are at GQ while under attack or imminent threat of attack. The carrier has no defensive weapons. The aircraft are both your only defensive and offensive weapons. The destroyers, cruisers, and fast frigates attempt to form a defensive shield in addition to the aircraft. But they carry little to no offensive weaponry. This means the entire task force is operating at GQ including flight operations. Launching and recovering airplanes is now or can be a 24/7 pace. This requires turning into the wind, maintaining a steady course, for both launching and recovery. Aircraft are overhead for surveillance, outbound for attack duties, and inbound after attack missions are complete. Carrier ops under these GQ requirements is a pace, scope, and organized chaos, that outside of experiencing it…is difficult to both comprehend and appreciate the tension sailors and airmen are under modern…not WWII…battle/combat conditions.

The enemy knows all it has to do is foul the deck to prevent launching and recovering birds, damage an elevator, damage “vulture’s row “ the air boss command center…to neuter a carrier, No need to sink it. You can neuter a carrier by forcing evasive maneuvers stopping all current launching and recovery efforts of its birds. You can neuter a carrier by forcing evasive maneuvering delaying recovering airplanes forcing losses due to bingo fuel status.

Can you recover or launch airplanes during hard evasive maneuvering st 30-40 knots forward speed with resulting crosswinds, quartering tailwinds, down wind at deck angles of 20-30 degrees and no steady course/trajectory? No! Can you move around the flight deck let alone reposition airplanes, equipment during these conditions? No! As outstanding a carrier crew can be, flight ops cannot operate 24/7 in combat conditions twisting and weaving at the same time, in always changing weather conditions.

Therefore, I believe the scenario being provided by the media outlets and the US Navy is pure propaganda Bravo Sierra! The reality is the US military has no hypersonic capability, little modern drone technology outside of Reaper MQ9 size of which we have already lost 20% of all of our reserves …22 shot down at 30-35 million taxpayer funded each…almost 2 per week now… by a country who has been under constant US attack since 2004. They have endured every US/NATO/ coalition of the willing attacking hardware, latest technology gee wiz weaponry, endured economic sanctions, including slaughtering of their civilian population for over 20 years. They have learned a few things during all this and not only endured, but developed tactics, weapons both offensive and defensive internally.

I am amazed at our government, military, and population’s ignorance of history, lack of respect for different cultures, and loss of any empathy, sympathy, and morality resulting in the slaughter, murder, ethic cleansing of various civilian populations since WWII… and think that there will be no pushback by these oppressed, exploited, and abused people. And we have justified our collective behavior by saying in God We Trust, democracy and freedom for all, the global defender of human rights, Seriously? Our actions, our fruit says otherwise and the planet see the Emperor has no clothes. Proof? We cannot defend the USS Truman, cannot prevent the loss of our airplanes and drones, and we are intentionally bombing civilians in an undeclared war,

Anyone remember the USS Cole bombing while in port, Yemen?

An early, piloted drone attack?

Hilarious, but it would have been funnier had it not been true!!

Research some history…Al Qaida attack based in Sudan while Cole was in Yemen port. Yemen nor the Yemen people had anything to do with it. From your point of view, it appears what happen a quarter of a century ago, offers your justification for B2’s with 2,000 lb bunker busters in concert with Navy FA-18’s to bomb civilians in a undeclared war on their sovereign territory.
Why?

Yemen has clearly stated. Stop the genocide in Gaza, and allow relief aid to resume and Yemen will stop blockading the Red Sea of US and Israeli shipping. No one else has been attacked or prevented from using the Red Sea or Suez Canal. Their fruits? When Israel abided by the US brokered cease fire, Yemen lifted blockade. As soon as Israel violated the US brokered cease fire ( with US ok), Yemen gave Israel and the US support of Israel 4 days to live up to the US ceasefire or face resumption of the blockade. We broke our own agreement of ceasefireand Yemen lived up to theirs. Our solution? Bomb Yemen civilians. Yep… the American way of diplomacy.

The Houthis done messed up the plane and the tug it rode in on.

Uh…what?

I equated the attack on the Cole - by a highly explosive vessel a fraction of its size - to our current drone usage, except that the Cole was hit by “piloted drones” (which I thought was an obvious oxymoron).

Uh…

Yemen is not attacking ships in the Red Sea, the Houthis are

Houthis are NOT Yemen, they only occupy part of it, acting on behalf of Iran.

US attacks are on Houthi installations.

Any civilian deaths are the responsibility of the aggressor which is Iran via its Houthis puppet.

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A MQ-9 Reaper has the span of a Gulfstream G280 or close to Boeing 247 capable of carrying 8 laser-guided Hellfire missles or guided Paveway II bomb. Max takeoff weight 10,500lbs. Cost is $30-35 million each plus munitions plus pilot plus cockpit. Not small. Not cheap

Yemen uses Samad-3’s of 15ft wingspan with range of 650-810 miles carrying a 18kg extra explosive mixed with ball bearings. Locally designed and manufactured just like their hypersonic missles. In addition they employ the Shahed-136 with wingspan about 8ft and can carry 66-110lb warhead. Cost estimates of both are $10-$50k ea.

So far, not including damage to USS Truman, costs to attack Yemen’s civilian population because we cannot see let alone damage their military infrastructure… is over 1 billion dollars … just in losses of (22)Reaper, (2) Super Hornets, and (1) F-15. That does not include the daily US Military costs of all the spare parts, artillery, ordinance, surveillance, and the aerial aluminum bridge of US military cargo aircraft flying 24/7 sent in support of Israel.

Taking out all emotion, humanity, politics, and common sense, the cost of losing an undeclared war while committing war crimes against unarmed civilians is astronomical and totally unsustainable… of which you and I have mortgaged to our grandkids and great-grandkids for repayment. The world sees us as barbarians, wonders with incredulity how a nation has completely lost its moral compass, without so far, a whimper from the American citizens.

We assert we have the most powerful economy backed up with the most powerful military, and have lost every war and undeclared war since WWII while intentionally, sometimes successfully carrying out regime change after destroying these countries infrastructure including killing millions of civilians! Hardly an enviable track record. Yet, we see ourselves as the guys in the white hats.

Our diplomacy is gone well past of “our way or the highway”. It’s now “our way or we destroy you “. As bad as that is, we cannot back up this incredible hubris, arrogance, propaganda of fantasy technology, and promised military aviation with undeliverable performance. All we can do is kill civilians. All we can do is lie to our young, recruiting them with military air shows of power projection, and assign them to carrier task groups whose mission is bombing civilians … and are sitting duck targets for highly motivated countries we have attacked with shock and awe for decades. They figured out we are fat, flabby, unhealthy, and broke… and are handing out one defeat after another including loss of American lives. They have figured out how to build defensive and offensive weapons in house that we cannot defeat, at a mere fraction of the cost.

I am not proud of our collective track record. I am not proud of my government. We, as citizens, are getting repeated wake up calls, and repeatedly are hitting the snooze button. As long as we sleep, eat, and be merry…we permit and enable this horrific behavior our chosen leadership has displayed. I am sure we now understand our respective positions at this point.

Houthi’s occupy part of Yemen, are Yemen citizens, and have support of all the remaining Yemen citizens. Millions have physically and demonstrably displayed their collective support for whatever they can do in the defense of the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians.

Yemen is the only country on the planet putting up a fight against genocide outside of the Palestinians themselves. Why? Because they know what it is like for neighbors to try to ethnically cleanse them… financed by the collective west. They believe it is their moral duty to fight in behalf of the oppressed Palestinians. They also know what it is like to fight with the collective west led by DC for decades. Now they know how to defeat them, too.

This normally peaceful culture of citizens who have been in existence living on that land called Yemen today… for over 5,000 years…you do not want to antagonize and attack them thinking you will displace them or annihilate them. They are smart, fearless, and fight with tenacity beyond what most can comprehend. They are motivated by justice…not exploitation or greed. We do not understand nor comprehend that anymore.

Try learning about history instead of guessing. Here’s one link; USS Cole bombing - Wikipedia. If you can read and reply to public news and messages, you can search too.