A lot of people got their time flying checks at night in beat up old twins in all kinds of weather. That opportunity (And risk) is long gone now.
I’d suggest we try really listening to each other, but since it seems dangerous to talk about these subjects, I’m afraid it’s pointless.
I will say, having no airline experience, that it would seem that if an airline has a set program to train pilots from soup to nuts, and if they are willing to take responsibility for having done that, they could get in 750 hours what the hodgepodge system does in 1500 hours.
I agree the racial equality spin seems crass. I don’t believe true equality is possible nor meritocracy. I do believe attempts to reach it are criminally stupid, and often led by egotistical seekers of power and fame. Our country has improved and has regressed. We are at a point where we badly need more individualism and meritocracy again. We need more self responsibility. Failure to bend the curve in the right direction inevitably leads to where we are. We are in a state where people are now demanding immediate and revolutionary change.
Eula Pearl Carter Scott soloed at age 13 in 1929.
Youngest in Oklahoma, youngest of Chickasaw descent, … But I’ll bet she ignored points, she just wanted to fly.
And hey! her father encouraged her, purchased an airplane for her during her flight training. (Did I ever suggest males help females in careers? 
Quit flying after bearing second child, because of risk of her children being left without a mother (she was a stunt pilot). (Did I ever suggest motherhood as a discouragement for a flying career?
(Blanche Scott was the person jerk Curtis discriminated against. First woman to fly, and first woman test pilot (for Martin).
The person in TX was someone else.)
The key of course is individual rights protected by defense and justice systems. Work hard and smart to do what you want, within your innate talents. (Dancing and basketball are not careers for me, motherhood is fundamentally blocked. :-o)
There’s a scene in Atlas Shrugged in which a young Dagny Taggart is told that women should not do some kind of work. Nonsense! she decided for herself and proceeded to do what she wanted. (In that famous best-selling novel she ran a railroad, and was a design engineer on the side.)
Amazing.
Having ‘been around’ is a good experience.
(Seemingly lacking in some pilots for US Majors in the old Avisg forum - did not really understand airliner performance. Most of those airlines went broke.)
Nothing more than a clever way to try and solve their pilot problems by virtue signaling, pandering, and wokeism, where equity not equality is the issue. What is not said is how much money they are asking from the government. One only has to look at the numerous appointments by the Biden admin to see that meritocracy is dead and equity and political leanings are the games of the day, regardless of experience or qualifications. Reverse discrimination is what is being promoted and it is just as illegal as any other type of discrimination. Cockpit aviation is no place for social experiments and political correctness. Asking for a variance of the 1500 hour rule is and should be completely separate from any mention of “under represented” or any other euphemism for any group other than white males.
The modern definition of a racist:
“Anyone who wins an argument with a liberal”.
I loathe Elon Musk but he recently had a good retort against Bernie Sanders, who I loathe more.
“If you want to earn as much as I do work as hard as I do”.
Implied but not stated, “and be as smart as I am”.
I’m with you on that. It’s great that some people have the time, skill, and discipline to edit themselves before posting, but an edit feature would be much better for the rest of us. Maybe the new classifieds can pay for the change? (I wish them well on their endeavor, and I hope they get the model set up right so they don’t simply repeat the problems of the other sites).
I couldn’t agree more.
I’m first generation born in America.
I’m a child of Holocaust (Auschwitz) survivors.
Neither of my parents had even a grade school education and I went on (with God’s Grace) to become a very successful Rutgers/Yale/Stanford educated physician.
God bless America.
I’ll miss it.
Thanks, Yars, but the kid is alright…
I grew up fairly wealthy, actually, and - stunningly?- became dirt poor…
It wasn’t easy, though, I had to work really hard for it.
But, as Mark Twain mused, "Sanity and happiness are an impossible combination "- and I had to make a choice…
Canada still only requires a CPL and 250 hours to be the FO on a CAR 705 ( i.e. Part 121) air carrier. In late 2019 just before COVID killed the industry pilots were going from flight school to Captain of a Regional jet in less than 2 years. They had no PIC time since the flight school and could be paired with a 300 hour FO.
This had never happened before because regional typically hired pilots with 3000+ hrs with a lot of real world experience. However 2 things happened
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An explosion in demand for pilots from new ULCC and expanded regionals started to exceed the supply, and
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Airline executives realized they could wave the shiny 70 seat airliner in front of brand new pilots who would be so star struck they would work for peanuts and they would not leave for greener pastures because they had no experience, and
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The airlines started having real trouble upgrading the less than 1700- 1800 hr zero to hero pilots who could hold a Captains bid but could not pass the Captains course. Did this lead to a lowering of standards, probably not at the time but I think only because COVID stopped the lunacy
You can’t train experience, ultimately you have to live it. Even instructing in a C 172, you are the PIC and have to actually make a decision.
The US was smart to insist on an ATPL or restricted ATPL for all Part 121 flying. It helps weed out the poseurs and forced the airlines to pay a decent wage and not abuse their pilots.
The flight 3407 families group has been reported as getting ready to fight this proposal. With their opposition along with, for what it is worth, New York Senator Schumer, I seriously doubt this proposal will go anywhere.
The only thing that should be forcing airlines to pay a decent wage is unwillingness of people to take the job. Young people wouldn’t take the job if they did not see the big money being paid some pilots.
It’s not just the airline managers causing young people to take the low wage. The unions and the government have a hand in it.
Perhaps the unions ought to start taking a little responsibility for educating the wannabes who are spending big dough to join their little exploitation racket. Make sure they know that if their the kind of person who cannot do the top jobs, they won’t be getting top pay just by sitting in the cockpit for 20 plus years.
You need two things to be a good pilot: experience, and natural ability (well three things, training). The 1500 hour rule reduces the talent pool that even start flight training, since talented kids have lots of options, and staring down the challenge of finding 1500 hours makes a career in finance or coding look pretty good by comparison.
That means the airlines have a smaller talent pool to hire from, even though the pool is more experienced. And airlines have the choice: either shut down routes and sell airplanes because they can’t find good pilots, or let the bottom of the barrel 1500-hour kids in the cockpit. So what happens? If you can get 1500 hours you’re guaranteed a job at some airline even if you’re terrible.
Quoting: “All men (gender neutral) ARE created equal … the moment they pop out of the womb.”
That’s a joke. That statement is simply untrue and hopelessly naive.
“All men” are NOT born with equal aptitudes for anything and everything. “All men” are NOT mentally-equipped to deal with all things at the same identical level of proficiency, no matter how much training they receive.
The fact is that people are born with very different capabilities, and it’s those differences that usually play large roles in what they choose to do in life to earn their livings - the ones willing to actually work, at least.
“All men” may well be created equal in terms of their opportunities, at least in this country, but they’re definitely not equal based on what they grow up to be good at.
Good news. Closes a little known hole in the system. Took them long enough!
"The FAA characterized public comments received after the daft rule was published to be “generally supportive.”
What the %$#@ would the ‘public’ know about the medical certification issues as it pertains to a safety pilot? I’m sure it was required to open to discussion with whatever random busybodies.
You are the ‘public’… I watch and respond to these proposals all the time. I have three current issues with training. The 1500 hr time for ATP is not just silly, but likely impresses dangerous habits. The time and requirements for private pilot are severely lacking in energy management training given to commercial pilots. Commercial pilot should be just a regulation test. Why would a private pilot not need to know every maneuver a commercial pilot learns?
And the there is the people that still think doing a 180 after entering the clouds is a good idea. It is crazy and dangerous. Only after be educated and thinking about it do pilots finally agree. Where did that 180 come from?
The very people you hate have been inviting your input for decades and you didn’t even know it. Think about it William. You could be spending less time promoting your personal world view on AvWeb and more time commenting on FAA proposed rulemaking.
The ATP rule is beneficial, however I think the quality of time is more important than the quantity. 1500 hours in the pattern is worthless. When I was a regional Capt. I could tell the difference immediately with new hires. If they were a flight instructor I have to be the instructor on the line, if they had been with cape air, or another 135 with turboprop or jet experience flying REAL IFR it was obvious. I cannot imagine what it was like for a regional captain teaching EVERYTHING to a 250 hour wonder FO. AND I cannot imagine flying a regional jet around with only 250 hours. There was so much I did not and could not know at that point in my experience.