Foxtrot Alpha Foxtrot Oscar
We are in the FO phase right now a lot more FO is coming 
He did not reveal the information until being informed it was not classified.
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Did I miss something? I thought if the US is going to war, deliberately attacking a sovereign nation via, in this case, a US Navy Carrier Strike Task Force, Congress would have to declare war first, with the President of the United States letting the citizen’s of America know that we are officially at war, and why.
Oh yeah… I forgot… that’s silly, so old school, outdated, constitutional thought that used to drive this republic. Today, we have graduated to an election of an Emperor who dictates via Executive/Emperor Order (EO) ( same initials) using his now patented “one trick pony” diplomacy called “My Way, or the Highway” to anybody ( like me and my fellow Americans) and everybody else (all sovereign nations leadership and their citizen’s).
I am not a fan of The Atlantic nor it’s author, but if our equally emperor-like Secretary of Defense says nothing classified was shared on Signal, at least Mr, Jeff let at lThe Atlantic readership know, America is at war with Yemen… and loose lips sinks ships… I got notified I was at war with Yemen.
Since I got 9 years with the US Navy aboard several carriers, personally involved as a green shirt aircraft troubleshooter on the flight deck, I have more than a passing interest when the US Navy is launching FA-18’s who are dropping ordinance on civilians. Plus, the Air Force is launching Reaper drones, positioning B2’s at Diego Garcia, and B-52’s in Quater. I know that 13 Reapers have been shot down so far, possibly a FA-18, with damage to the USS Truman giving a strong indication our Navy men and women are being shot at. You cannot get shot at if you are not at war shooting at other nations. And my Constitution that I and other AvWeb readers swore to defend and upheld says there has to be a declaration of war BEFORE we go to war.
Yeah…I know, I really know… that is so archaic, constitutionally old school… but I don’t know anything else. Others, including our fore-fathers who authored that yellow, tattered doc sitting behind glass in Philly did know what life was about WITHOUT that doc. That’s why it’s there for all Americans to read and follow.
Maybe our Emperor and his acquiescing minions called Congress could take a peek at that glass case, spend a few minutes reading it… it’s not that long… and then ponder what it means to me, the US citizens, and the rest of humanity. Then do what it says, allow debate and discourse among we the people to let our leadership know if we the people, by an informed, free, and honest press have agreed to go to war, through our elected representatives in Congress. Congress works for us, not we the people for them. Nor did I spend 9 years to defend a government led by Emperor Order. Our problem is not Yemen. OUR problem is not holding OUR government to OUR Constitution first… which places OUR priorities including the way we solve OUR problems into the hand of an emperor. I did not vote for an emperor! Did you?
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Then it’s “a non story” or “he’s just as guilty” for being loose with secrets.
I’m sorry but he cannot have it both ways.
I recall the journalists who uncovered the Pentagon Papers, Iran-Contra, Monica Lewinski, and the My Lai massacre were also accused on being “traitors.” The Atlantic editor is in good company.
The fact is that the application was not approved for any secret information, nor for any “non-public” unclassified information. It’s an obvious target for hackers. For all we know, not only was the Atlantic editor seeing the messages, but Vladimir Putin, Al Jazeera, and the Houthi drum and kazoo corps. It’s all fun and games until your warriors get ambushed because your Iphone has been hacked.
They’re riding their limos, sitting on their $20,000 toilets, and waving their phones around in restaurants, tapping away, completely ignoring security requirements.
Ironically, I saw a colleague fired because he accidentally carried his personal cell phone into the secure area. He didn’t use it…just forgot that it was in his pocket.
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Yes you can. He was told the info WAS NOT classified. The people that told him lied to cover their own 6.
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He just reported what happened and did it legally and responsibly. Based on the response, I’d say it was the right call. I’ll give you one thing, Art. You are consistent.
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So, he leaked secrets or they were not secrets?
I cannot follow the mental gymnastics being used here.
Honestly “I” would not have published anything that would endanger U.S. lives or strategy. “I” would have announced to the online group immediately “Hey guys, I’m a reporter, should I be here?”
Reporters for the Atlantic don’t seem to have that kind of integrity.
Thanks Dave. We have apparently gone from DEI hires to DUI hires.
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No. He initially thought it was some kind of hoax and left the chat. It was when the bombs and missiles started landing at the times and places named in the chat that he realized it was for real. C’mon Art. It’s not that hard. Everyone else seems to get it. I don’t believe you’re the slightest bit confused. Tenacious, yes. Confused? Nah.
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Is Russ nosing in, is ‘xxx…’ what AJF said exactly or did it say something else?
Arthur has been posting like a man on a mission, as if the thread were his sacred scroll handed down from the summit. He is the resident bell man of every comment section, part watchdog, part windstorm, part porch philosopher with a flair for dramatic timing. In other words, he never lets a comment pass without ringing it like a church bell at noon. Always ready with a challenge, a twist, or a full sermon, weather permitting.
If someone had misquoted him, the sky would have cracked, the seas would have opened, and we’d be reading his reply carved into granite by lightning. No doubt about it, nothing was taken out of context. Arthur spins his own legend, one fiery thread at a time.
I’m taking notes, brother Arthur, keep that bell ringing.
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This is what I consider to be the most humorous part of the whole affair.
This picture shows Representative Mike Quigley during the Congressional review, holding a printout of the messages exchanged on the non-secure, non-governmental chat where they discussed an upcoming military mission.
The irony? The message from the National Security Advisor says, “We are currently clean on OPSEC.”
To quote “The Princess Bride”: “You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”
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Whataboutism? Check. NPR and Kamala name-dropping? Check. Only thing missing from my bingo card was somehow shoehorning DEI and “woke” in there. Another constant spreader of bad-faith argument.
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Another terrible take, congrats.
Signal is preloaded on military supplied phones.
. . . but no one knows when the Signal platform was hacked, because it IS hackable.
What is there to hack on their platform? They cannot decrypt the messages, they don’t save copies, they don’t save send/receive logs, etc. The recent gov’s warning was due to a recent spate of phishing attacks, not to any encryption vulnerabilities.
Love2Fly, solid post. You lit that post like a dumpster fire on a flight deck and strolled off like a boss.
What is there to hack on their platform? They cannot decrypt the messages,
they don’t save copies, they don’t save send/receive logs, etc.
The recent gov’s warning was due to a recent spate of phishing
attacks, not to any encryption vulnerabilities.
Perfectly true. However, all the hackers need to do is suborn ONE account with appropriate access, and they can worm their way into others. You see it on Facebook all the time.
In addition to warning about the Phishing threat, the Government warning included a reminder that Signal should only be used for unclassified, publicly-releasable information. The security on Signal isn’t controlled by the Government; sensitive Government information should not be shared upon it.
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I 100% agree with the military pilots’ comments. I was in Special Forces in combat and would have been livid if my commanders had been this cavalier - and in this instance it was just plain amateur behavior in addition to being dangerous.
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