Canada Mandates Vaccinations For Airline Workers, Passengers - AVweb

Personally I am puzzled by pilots who are against COVID-19 vaccination. Safe flying involves managing risk because risk will never be eliminated.

The main way pilots reduce risk is by using the available facts So if some guy on the internet said our C172 will fly 800 nm on 40 gals of gas, or take off in 300 feet, we are going to be sceptical evaluate that claim against what the POH says and our personal experience.

Yet it seems like a significant part of the Pilot population does not seem willing to look at all of the information out there and evaluate it based on all the factual data is available. Instead they are seemingly focused on what one very small anti fax group are saying, take it as gospel and won’t look at any other data sources.

I looked at what the health care professionals and the government agencies are saying as well as what counter arguments are also being presented. For me personally the data is overwhelmingly in favour of vaccination, I had no issue with getting the 2 shots.

Finally the irony for me is the US was way ahead of the rest of the world with a Vaccine roll out because of operation Warp Speed. This was a President Trump initiative and the Liberal media told everyone it was an impossible time line, the vaccine would not work and it wasn’t going to be safe. They were proved spectacularly wrong yet Conservative right wing is now dumping on the vaccine their guy made possible. I just don’t get it.

What’s funny is that people no longer have any sense of context; they say Trump is Hitler, unarmed yahoos at the Capitol is an insurrection, 0.09 degree temperature rise is cooking the earth and now “covid is polio”.

That is exactly why sensible people have (justifiably) stopped listening to politicized topics and follow their personal experiences and their personal liberty.

You don’t “get it” because most all conservatives who are vulnerable have already been vaccinated! Any push back is NOT about vaccines, it’s because of this kind of endless political mission creep.

It is illegal in the USA for both the government and private business to force you to divulge your private medical history. It’s also illegal to discriminate based on your medical history.

I assume Canada has no protections?

Stu,

While it would seem your position would be in support of Canada’s decision I’d like to comment that Air Travel is not a Right. You cannot find, in the Constitution an amendment, clause, Article, or even subsection that states travel by air is a Right. It is privilege, I can agree, and it is one provided by private businesses. Those businesses can deny your access to their airplanes for many reasons outside the core rights established by discrimination, but having a virus is not on that list.

the funny thing is that I won’t really argue against YAR, or Mike, or the other commenters that have this rather misinformed view of vaccines and/or of COVID. As another pointed out, one would hope pilots would do due diligence when dealing with life situations, but then I read the accident reports, listen to VASIAIR posts on Youtube and realize they don’t as a general rule. So, those folks can have their freedom to not get vaccinated. Works for me.

However, I don’t feel you have a freedom to spread that vaccine to me. Your freedom to get infected does not include a right or freedom to infect others since you have no clue if whom you infect may get a mild case or die from you freely infecting them. Don’t want to wear a mask, you don’t get to fly on a plane and now in Canada, don’t want to get vaccinated, then feel free to exercise your freedom to drive to your destinations. Please note that Canada stated “Commercial”, not GA so if you have a plane, what’s your problem?

What is really wrong are those that try to compare a vaccine passport to somebody’s religion being label over 80 years ago. There is no comparison. What Hitler did was from the mind of a sick sociopath bent on killing people over religion (and race). What is happening today are government’s trying to stop the spread and killing of citizens from a virus that kills, that has killed over 700,000 in this country alone. It is sick to make such a comparison.

I would hope our government, at the very least, require the FAA and who oversees Trains, and buses to require proof of vaccine to move around this country. Again, no one is stopping any freedom to travel, just the type of vehicle. Funny thing, the former President would have no issue with such a restriction, so if it is good enough for the Former President, why is it bad for others?

Please enlighten me regarding the what mission is creeping. I’m not being cynical. I really do wish to understand this. Thanks.

The last paragraph is the problem. Any restrictions to travel within the US is a violation of several constitutional amendments. Some of those were passed after the US civil war to prevent states from restricting movement of the then newly freed slaves to the northern states. Medical science in the 1780’s when the Constitution was written is not anywhere near what it is today. It makes our founding members who actually wrote the Constitution look like geniuses, not allowing the federal government to enact more controls using emergency declarations as a disguise, things other governments have done throughout history.

It violates international law against forcing people to be subjected to experimental drugs… but then again, do laws matter anymore?
I guess only if it feels good.

mRNA vaccine technology has been around 30 years of more. The reason it has never advanced beyond the animal testing stage is the animals died after being exposed to the virus after they had been previously vaccinated. Yeah lets go ahead and force this EXPERIMENTAL vaccine on the world. Population control, personal freedoms eroded all in one mandate. I can hardly wait to see who gets to foot the bill for all the lawsuits resulting from being forced to have an experimental vaccine injected into one’s body and then dying from it. It won’t be big pharma nor will it be the government again it will pushed on to the American people to pay for these follies.

You need to examine more sources regarding the endorsement of this vaccine by health professionals because there are probably just as many condemning it as there are endorsing it. I am assuming you still consider Anthony Fauci as a credible health official along with the CDC, both are politically motivated in their guidance regarding the virus

“Isn’t it a wise choice to prevent getting this disease? Or are some people really choosing to get sick and die?
Beyond the health benefits there are the financial benefits to the vaccine.”

Isn’t it also a wise choice to prevent unfit parents to have children? To abort or euthanize those who will or are, a drain upon society?

Beyond the health benefits, there are the financial benefits to abortion and euthanasia. We could even give the process a fancy name: Lebensunwertes Leben

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

I submit my right to fly is supported by this statement.

I’m happy to take a vaccine, but experimental gene therapy ain’t a vaccine.

That’s it Canada! I’m boycotting the NHL channel for a month!

Rich, you forget it was first 2 weeks to not overwhelm hospitals, then it was to flatten the curve, then it was masks mandates, then it was to have a vaccine available, then you need a vaccination and masks and now a REQUIREMENT to have a vaccination and a masks or lose your job. THAT is mission creep.

Air travel is not a right but a privilege.

The ability to travel is a right.

Private medical records are private and the government and private parties have no right to it but since we have no right to fly on an airliner I understand their viewpoint although I disagree with it.

ALSO it is looking like the immunization is not very good. Last (Mayo Clinic) numbers I read were 76% for Moderna, 44% for Pfizer, (against delta) and less for J&J so vaccines may not be worth pushing on people any more either way.

Also masks don’t help much either but they probably do something as at least flu cases are down.

Bottom line is this will be the future. It’s wrong but inevitable as the country and the world shifts to the Left.

I took the family to a winery for lunch after church yesterday and they wanted to see our vaccination cards to let us in.

I HATED it but complied as I wanted to eat there and it is not my right to but they can call the shots on their own winery.

I find it helpful to accept the country and the world have lost their way and give up hope in all leadership except God.

So you say someone who doesn’t get the vaccine has no right to spread it to you. Do you understand what a vaccine is? If you get vaccinated, why would you care. I had Covid a year ago last March just when this was starting to become a big thing. I have antibodies in my immune system, been around many people and events including Oshkosh and have not had so much of as a sniffle in nearly a year and a half. Why do I need injected with experimental poison, that literally thousands of people have died from? As for masks, in the beginning the CDC was stating they do very little to stop the spread of the virus, until the politician’s got involved and told them what they had to say. If you aren’t wearing an M95 or surgical masks, your cotton face diapers are nearly worthless. I saw pictures of Obama’s birthday bash, funny thing, no masks even though they were mandated where he lives for indoor gatherings. So while the politicians push the panic porn of how deadly this virus is, which has a survival rate of 99.8% if you contract it, and a higher rate if you are not elderly with morbidity conditions, the death rate is much like the seasonal flu. Should we start wearing masks for that also, how about demanding vaccinations for the flu, how about pneumonia also, it kills by the 10s of thousands every year also. This is about control, do as we say, or we will punish you. Funny how they throw actual “science” out the window when it doesn’t serve their agenda.

I agree in the right to fly but we do not have a right to fly on someone elses plane.

If this virus is so dangerous and deadly, why is this corrupt administration allowing nearly 150,000 illegals from as many as 100 different countries, many infected with the virus, to flow across the border unimpeded? Then this morally bankrupt administration shotguns these infected people through the center of the country to towns, and cities where infections rise dramatically. Want to help curb the spike in Covid? Show they are serious about enforcing federal law and close the Southern border, and prevent an invading sick horde from making matters worse.

PBS/NPR, say it all, mostly left wing propaganda that never presents both sides of an argument. Had Covid nearly 18 months ago, and I am doing just fine with antibodies in my system far superior to that non FDA approve experiential juice. Can I use the “Obama Card” instead, you know, masks and vaccines for thee, but not for me and my birthday bash buddies, and oh don’t let pictures get out that we are thumbing our noses at the dirt eating rubes that we order to wear masks and get jabbed. Why would Obama do that if this is such a deadly death sentence of a disease?