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In my opinion, these are easy questions.

#1: Stop thinking in terms of some humans telling other humans what they can and cannot do, and what they must and must not do. That is explicit slavery. No human has any legitimate basis to tell others what to do or not do.

#2: If you want to hold an event … then hold the event. It is up to you and you alone to decide whether to hold the event, and what kind of event, and what measures and situations will exist at the event.

#3: If any individual wants to come to the event or not … that is their decision and their decision alone. If they don’t want to take the risk, then stay home. If they want to take the risk, then consider going.

Simple as that. Everyone can research, discuss, argue, yell, scream, holler at each other all they want. But when it comes to what you want to do, and what others want to do …

STOP THINKING IN TERMS OF YOU OR ANYONE TELLING OTHERS WHAT TO DO.

The notion that answers like these should be conducted as arguments about what should EVERYONE be forced to do … is inherently totalitarian and inherently disgusting. There is a great deal of totalitarianism and disgusting going around these days.

Bottom line: Do whatever you wish, and leave others free to do whatever they wish. Simple as that.

Here are some interesting statistics. This is the very first information I looked up when the COVID19 issue came to my attention in a significant way:

8,000,000,000 == # of humans on planet earth.
70,000,000 == # of humans who die each year.
16,000,000 == # of humans who die each year from contagious diseases.
500,000 == # of humans who die each year from the normal seasonal flu.
250,000 == # of humans who may die this year from COVID19.

As it turns out, that estimate of 250,000 looks like it will be reasonably correct. Some claim the number will be more like 500,000 or so, but that is because they accept the utterly dishonest practice of counting all sorts of non-COVID19 deaths as being COVID19 deaths.

But … differences of a factor of two or so are insignificant when it comes to drawing reasonable conclusions from these numbers. If 16,000,000 people die each year from contagious diseases, and to shut down the world economy to attempt to save many of those 16,000,000 lives was not worthwhile … then any claim the world economy needs to be shut down to save some portion of 250,000 (or 500,000) lives is a clear and obvious LIE, SCAM, FRAUD, ABSURDITY … even before anyone even begins to estimate how many humans will be killed and/or destroyed as a consequence of the shut downs.

Nearly the entire human race appears to be dumber than rocks. If the world economy must be shut down to attempt to save some of those who will die from COVID19, then the world economy must be PERMANENTLY shut down and destroyed to attempt to save some of the 500,000 who die of normal seasonal flu … even if hundreds of millions or billions will die from the consequences of shutting down the world economy. This is how stupid modern humans are. Disgusting!

PS: That 16,000,000 number is higher than appropriate for this specific analysis, partly because some contagious diseases cannot be transmitted by contact, touch, breath or similar. So cut that 16,000,000 to 8,000,000 to be more realistic (and very conservative). As you can see though, this does not change the thought process or the obvious conclusions. After all, just the 500,000 who die from seasonal flu is being considered enough to justify shutting down the world economy and killing hundreds of millions or billions of humans as a consequence.

'Everyone can research, discuss, argue, yell, scream, holler at each other all they want. But when it comes to what you want to do, and what others want to do …

STOP THINKING IN TERMS OF YOU OR ANYONE TELLING OTHERS WHAT TO DO.’

Good one! Clever use of irony there, pal. And here I was trying to take you seriously…

I don’t know why people always seem to be taken aback that something like 1.3% of the population of the world die for one reason or another every year.

If we have a vaccine or a treatment that nearly eliminates the fatal outcome of COVID-19, I will go out of my way to attend Airventure next year to do my part to support the aviation economy. On the other hand, if we are still in the situation we are in today, I will do my part by staying home even though I don’t feel particularly at risk myself.

Your math…or it appears, someone else’s math does not take in account that the human race has no immunity to Covid-19. Since January…less than 5 months, there are already 340,000 deaths and counting. There are as of 5/21/2020 5,303,393 known Covid-19 cases officially diagnosed which makes up less than 1% of the global population based on 7 billion. Can you imagine the numbers once the planet gets 20-30-40% infected thru the pandemic rather than a controlled vaccine program or immunity gained thru plasma exchanges with those known to have had the virus but have recovered. Of course, you would have to know, by testing who had had Covid-19 and recovered to do the plasma exchange.

I would agree with your conclusion about making your own decision regarding attending any kind of event if in fact your decision did not affect me, or my wife, kids, grand-kids, my neighbor and the strangers around the rest of the block. I wished that your decision about your participation, knowingly or unknowingly, only affected you. Unfortunately, that is not the case. A very nice couple in South Korea unknowingly infected 17,000 people all across the globe. I would not want that kind of responsibility and I am sure you do not want it likewise.

Adding a completely unknown( so far) yearly total of deaths via Covid-19 to your global total that has occurred as a yearly death box score we have come to accept as "normal’ or expected, makes no sense in trying to equate what is the acceptable additional number to die to maintain a global economy status quo. If you have a global pandemic affecting all of humanity, now or very soon, that alone without any other influence will cause a major global financial collapse taking with it the US economy. You need warm, alive, healthy bodies to have and maintain a workforce capable of sustaining a decent economy. Have a large percentage die or become sick, in a very short time frame, there is little to no productivity, therefore no economy. Right now, the US meat industry is cripple enough to send meat prices very high, and the meat department in the average grocery store has daily inventories that is either very low or non-existent.

Experiencing a global economy collapse thru an uncontrolled pandemic makes no sense and certainly does not offer any hope of some sort of control or long term solution. There would be no economic recovery, just a new normal born out of chaos.

At least with what rudimentary lockdowns many countries have instituted has at the very least bought some precious time to get our collective acts in gear for a workable, controllable, predictable, and sustainable solution vs a global economic and human health crisis waged with a “every man for himself” attitude. No one comes out on top in global economic society where every country has their hands in each other’s pocket yet trying to cohabitate with only the strongest survive mentality.

Freedom? Kiss that good-bye after a global economic collapse in tandem with a global health crisis. Forget about an airshow or flying a personal airplane. Just surviving, socially, economically and health-wise will be a full time endeavor for both the US citizens and what’s left of American leadership when protests turn into riots. It will make Watts look like an afternoon picnic.

Would You Attend A Small Airshow? Not now. Maybe in a few months.

@Jim H
This whole pandemic response has become incredibly emotional. I found myself swayed first one way then the other by the comments. Thank you (and Raf S, Dan V, and Dave M) for taking the time to post clear responses to the many pilots who tried to knock your arguments down. Please continue.

My uncle Johnny has been dead for many years.

So I can’t ask him how he, and all the other boys in his small Indiana town, reacted when they were ordered to report to the selective service office in 1942. If they felt the War Department was “inherently totalitarian” and had no “legitimate basis” for drafting them, they kept it to themselves. He spent much of the next two years in a B-17 over Europe where personal freedom and the economy were the least of his concerns.

My uncle would have been livid over having to comply with the CDC guidelines if he was with us today. But he would have done it.

Maybe the question should be:
“Would you prohibit others from attending a small airshow?”
Let the justifications/rationalizations flow.

It’s a fair question.
At our local VA, Frank, identifiable as surly but burdened with a big heart, will throw you out far enough to enjoy the cool pines of the Mogollon rim if you try and visit someone in the Phoenix building. Visitors at nursing homes across America have to accept a dreamlike visit between glass, no matter their condition or their loved ones and if infected by Covid or not.

Major league sports is coming online without fans in the stands. You will be arrested if you sneak in and request a dog and a beer from a box seat. But apparently from a large segment of the populace you will be looked upon as a freedom fighter, a true Patriot, a hero.

So, other than all directives during a deadly pandemic to come from the health care segment, and everyone else - everyone- taking their cues from this enlightened group, I don’t have a good answer. What would be yours, Yars?

Maybe the question should be:
“Would you attend a small airshow knowing that 44% of poll respondents who are willing to attend small airshows now do not care about physical distancing?”

Maybe in a few months.

A pilot buddy lives just east of the Endeavor bridge initial approach collector point (VPENV) for the inbound conga line. He told me that the number of airplanes droning overhead the prior weekend was unbelievable; supporting the large number of airplanes on the ground at OSH on Monday. Likewise, the number of inbound ADS-B tracks seen over that weekend. At our airport about 25 mi NNE of that point, we saw a marked drop in transient airplanes dropping in for the last easy fuel prior to arrival at OSH; we took on extra fuel in our tanks but didn’t need it. I spent the whole week there and would also agree that there seemed to be fewer ‘civilians’ and more pilots. The storm on Wednesday overnight caused quite a few people to flee such that the weekend seemed more empty than earlier in the week.

It was great to be ‘back.’

I’m local to Cub Crafters and have visited them. Many if not all of their pilots see me for their medicals.

Excellent people. Excellent operation.

I’m glad that a local business is thriving in our anti small-business environment.

Frankly I amazed that so many very expensive airplanes are flying off the shelves.

Sorry for the pun :wink:

May have been more than double the aircraft on the field on Monday compared to 2019. However,
“ On Monday, there were more than double the total aircraft on the field compared to 2019.”
Compared to this year, 2019 had a bad experience with weather on the weekend before Monday. Apples to oranges.
May have been near record total attendance of over 600,000 but not really. EAA counts each ticket sale as one attendee; so, buy the typical 3 days of tickets and viola, you are now “3” attendees. Actual number of individuals is more like 200,000. Still a good number, but nothing like you are being misled to believe.
I am amazed that the Pauls, Bertorelli and Berge, aren’t jumping on these bloated claims with their self described cynicism. Could it be they don’t want to jeopardize their Airventure Press Passes or am I just being cynical?

Swish!!!

Hmmm… not to be a wet blanket, but could this also have been a mega super spreader event? At my home airport in Washington State in just ONE conversation with two airport denizens I’ve already heard of five (5) persons who flew to KOSH in good health and returned with now confirmed COVID. I wonder how many other cases of the much sought after disease will emanate from AirVenture 2021?

Yep, CNN stopped talking about mortality and moved on to infection rates (and now you are too), because one is going up and the other down. They don’t show you death over time because it’s not impressive. Washington’s Statewide average is .1 deaths in a week (see doh.wa.gov). They make it very hard to find - but look at death over time vs infection rate and please let us know if anyone of your buddies dies from it or if you are just spreading around unfounded fear. Don’t teach children to be afraid of the dark, that’s just primitive John. Send your five friends some Kleenex cause odd are they’ll be just fine. Get used to covid because vax or not its never going away. Ever. Odds are you’ll get it. Odds are you’ll live. That should be good news to you but somehow I don’t think its what you wanted to hear.

“An educated citizenry is a vital requisite for our survival as a free people.” Thomas Jefferson.

COVID Deaths (CDC Interpretive Summary for August 20, 2021)

The current 7-day moving average of new deaths (641) has increased 10.8% compared with the previous 7-day moving average (578). The current 7-day moving average is 47.1% lower compared to the peak observed on July 30, 2020 (1,211).

The current 7-day moving average is 82.4% lower than the peak observed on January 13, 2021 (3,644) and is 237.4% higher than the lowest value observed on July 10, 2021 (190).

As of August 18, a total of 623,244 COVID-19 deaths have been reported in the United States.

Covid has now killed more Americans than in the “non-contagious” Korean War, Vietnam War, Iraq War, Afghanistan War—combined.