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December 2024

ron

Uh, that photo is a Boeing 777. Even the photo filename says so.

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December 2024

Tom_Waarne

Consider 9/11. A few terrorists with easily concealed boxcutters destroyed the lives of thousands of humans and directly affected the families of hundreds of thousands. The aftermath has affected everyone on this planet that travels. It is irresponsible of Airbus or any other transportation related business to remove half the security and safeguards to save a few shekels for an investor. A sad day that we have come to contemplate this proposal. Emphatically no to single pilot ops for airlines. Lest we forget…

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December 2024 ▶ Tom_Waarne

Raf

Touché. Valid point, Tom!

December 2024

26981

Airbus posed this a few years ago, but for freighters. But we can be sure that they would want to extend it to two pilot operations and make them single pilot.
Safety is the issue. All pilots make occasional mistakes and the second pilot is there to catch it. Equipment failures occur and it takes two to sort it out …
I started jet flying in a Citation 500 single pilot and I was buzzed with the speed - but it really takes two because things happen very fast.

December 2024 ▶ ron

rniles

ugh. I’ll fix it right away

December 2024

JustMe

Andreas Lubitz Liked this news story.

December 2024 ▶ Tom_Waarne

rkphillipsjr

I think pilots are just mad there would be fewer jobs. The planes can essentially fly themselves today, the pilot is largely a “minder”. It’s not “security” to have a cockpit full of pilots; how many plane crashes have been caused by that elite group? Most of 'em.

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December 2024

Jonathon_Payne

An old saying that was born from hard fought experience: two is one and one is none

December 2024 ▶ rkphillipsjr

JohnSchubert

Mr. Phillips, I disagree.
Crew workload is pretty light at cruise altitude with the autopilot humming away.
But when something goes wrong, the workload gets furious, and it can get that way in the blink of an eye.
Approach to minimums at a busy airport, hard IFR at night, they switch runways on you. . . that’s not even something going wrong, but that’s when the cockpit needs more than one pilot.

December 2024

RationalityKeith

It’s good that people are trying to think the whole notion through, the discussion will be messy.

I can think of better ways to implement the notion. And I’d want stretch breaks - sitting for 9 hours is not good for health.

(Jokes will abound - and what is that hole and human hand where the right seat usually is? Oh, on second look it seems to be a loop of something blue and a pair of leggings and lap blanket or skirt not in flying position. I hope Russ didn’t pay a lot for that photo.)

December 2024

gil

Where will the diapers be stowed…or does the pilot carry his/her own?

December 2024

bagofsuds

So the need to have a flight attendant come into the cockpit during bathroom breaks needs to be stopped today, immediately.

December 2024

WBJohn

If nothing else, Russ, you’ve written a very amusing tongue-in-cheek description of the issue. Thanks for brightening my day!

December 2024

WBJohn

I just has another thought: Why not build the potty into the pilot’s seat, so he or she never has to leave their station? Add a bidet, add “drop trow” to the pre-start checklist, and we’re ready to go.

December 2024

svanarts

An insurance policy is useless until you need it.

December 2024

Douglas_C

This brings the demise of Elvis Presley to mind. Which also makes me wonder if single pilot operations will require constant eye scanning to access if the pilot is awake, attentive, and alive? (Whether they are seated on the flight deck or the poop deck). It also brings a new level of privacy concerns over the NTSB’s proposed Cockpit Image Recorders.

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December 2024 ▶ Douglas_C

RationalityKeith

You may be thinking of someone other than Elvis Presley of RnR-rockabilly fame, who died of intoxicants, in poor health, while on the ground.

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December 2024 ▶ Tom_Waarne

ssobol

Yes, the terrorists handily defeated BOTH crew members in the cockpit using only box cutters.

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December 2024

ssobol

Right now, the crew must access the rest of the plane for rest, toilet needs, and food. Wouldn’t take much for planes to be designed so that the flight deck and rest and refreshment areas are separate from the main cabin (look at cargo aircraft). You could eliminate the door to the cabin and only have the F/D accessible from the aircraft exterior. Since you have crew members in the cabin, you would not need cockpit access to the main cabin for fire fighting.

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December 2024

Reuven_Silberman

I’m sure this is a delayed April Fools joke by Airbus. Or throw and “idea” at the wall and see what sticks. NY to Tokyo in a single pilot Airbus XXX SPLR. (Single Pilot Long Range). All aboard. So somebody tell me how UA 232 Sioux City Iowa, USAir 1549 Hudson River would have worked out single pilot?

December 2024 ▶ ssobol

NopeNotThat

Peak insanity. Seal off the main cabin from the cockpit. Then, at that point, who cares whats up front anyway? As long as…well, you know… we get there.

December 2024

jmtuts

It is already being suggested that we remove military pilots from cockpits all together. How long will it take before your Airbus pilot is sitting at home in his/her PJ’s?

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December 2024 ▶ RationalityKeith

Douglas_C

Yes, everything you say is true, but I was referring to the unfortunate circumstance that all of those things reached their fatal conclusion while he was seated on the commode.

December 2024 ▶ jmtuts

RationalityKeith

Hey, Tosla cars work, don’t they?
/sarc

(Actually while not nearly enough distance/time has been driven by self-driving cars to make a meaningful conclusion, so far data suggests no worse than human drivers who make mistakes.
Of course pilots make mistakes, some comparable to the Tesla system that can’t decide which fork to take in a road until it is too late to avoid hitting things between.
And there are the local delivery robots who can’t decide things either: 1.8M views · 8.9K reactions | I thought it was some kind of traffic cop robot | Cheezburger.

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December 2024 ▶ RationalityKeith

RationalityKeith

I suspect not everyone can read that robot video as it is on Facebook.

December 2024

RationalityKeith

With quiet flight decks due better aerodynamics today, is voice recognition enough instead of radio?
Well, yApple phone users say no, it is quite variable - sometimes botches a word.

December 2024

Spike

I see strange pictures after reading this… not to mention the smells.

Well, who wants to read a book on the potty when they can fly an airliner???

December 2024 ▶ ssobol

Teagan

Wasn’t the standard protocol up to that point in terms of hijackings to comply with the hijacker request? I’m genuinely asking because I’m pretty sure I read that. I don’t think those pilots were really even given a fighting chance? Like up until 9/11, the idea of using an airliner as a weapon wasn’t really a risk that was heavily considered? That seems like the weakness that was exploited, the willingness to comply with hijackers.