Note I said civilian pilot. I have no problem with the level of training given in the military. I did not serve in military so my experience is flying with other pilots who have. In most cases I can see a big difference in military trained pilots vs civilian training. And judging from what I have observed at CHS and LCK Air Force bases those pilots have no problem with flying a traffic pattern in C130, C17, or KC135 without a 5+ mile final.