Reading and integrating, Delta’s expressed justification is health care costs. So I don’t see what is underhanded in your mind.
Delta’s statement about unvaccinated employees being hospitalized with COVID-19 is consistent with statistics from WA state that over 90% of persons in hospital recently due to COVID-19 were not vaccinated.
(Note the qualifier ‘account-based’ in talking of Delta’s health care plan.
Unfortunately he over-hypes by claiming SARS2 panicdemic is “one of the most dangerous challenges our world has faced in this lifetime.” - at his age he has been through other infectious disease pandemics.
And he uses the ‘driving’ buzzword.
“,…one of the most dangerous challenges our world has faced in this lifetime.”
Misleading statement alert!
The few vaccinated people who still contract COVID-19 only get mildly ill so do not shed much virus. There are a very few vaccinated people who may be more strongly ill because the vaccine was not effective in their body - that’s a low risk probability.
But you are playing a ‘slide-by-…’ game of making a statement that sounds good but misleads by omitting probability.
As for ‘natural immunity’ there are two situations I am aware of:
some people are immune from something in their past, such as a virus somewhat related to SARS2.
an Israeli study used the term for people who have recovered from COVID-19, their research suggests they have greater immunity than they would have received from vaccine. Of course the study could not include people who died from COVID-19. People foolishly extrapolate that into a belief in not needing vaccine, which is not logical.
ERROR:
I was responding to ‘usual suspect’ AJ Foyt’s claim that “…vaccinated people can still spread the virus.”
As for masks, normal ones (misleadingly called ‘surgical’ stop your droplets from hitting my face, which is the primary method of transmission as it hits me with a lot of virus. (A secondary benefit is the mask slows people down from putting contaminated fingers on their face.)
Good N95 masks do far more, I thin they stop mist. (I say ‘good’ because there’s jund out there, like cheaply made KN95 mass from Communist China - that’s a CC spec supposedly equivalent to N95 but much of the product out of CC is badly shped.)
Well Jeff; like the global warming panic, “I” am very happy that all the dire predictions were the “disinformation”. “I” am happy we all are OK and “I” would still fly with anyone.
It’s amazing how happy and supportive people are when they drop politics…
Avweb please moderate these comments or put in place a reddit-type system where people can volunteer to do so. The honor system, sadly, isn’t sufficient right now. And please don’t throw in the towel - it would be understandable, as before, but there is real value in preserving this as a nexus for discussion.
@Foyt. When people say ‘natural immunity takes care of the virus’ are they considering the death toll and the absolute collapse of the healthcare system and society.
If the news read that three 737s were crashing a day, we’d be up in arms for someone to do something. Well, about that many people are dying per day cause they won’t get the vaccine.
Oh and lastly, if you want to opt out of vaccines etc then FULLY opt out of the whole health system. Ie don’t cart your sick sorry ass to the ICU when you get COVID. Go all in!!
Comirnaty (BioNTech) is an almost identical product to the Pfizer vaccine, but differs in legality. since the Comirnaty was given full FDA approval it assumes legal responsibilities that may arise. This differs from the Pfizer vaccine which is still listed under EUA providing them with legal immunity.
I’m just pointing out the obvious; paper/cloth masks do not prevent you from getting infected AND getting a vaccine does not prevent you from spreading (an/or teasing positive later).
Like we saw first hand in Houston and New York, the rushed multi million dollar emergency centers and hospital ships were not even used. Why do people hate good news?
I just don’t see where you come up with these falsities. Of course masks don’t prevent you from getting COVID but they do reduce the risk. So does washing your hands and distancing etc. So don’t muddy the waters.
As for infections in this delta phase, 95% of the COVID admissions to hospitals are from unvaccinated. Which probably tells us that if you have the vaccine you’re more likely to be more conscious about spreading the disease by wearing masks and socially distancing. So less likely to spread even if you have the virus. Folks who don’t heed the vaccine and mask wearing are ending up in the hospitals. The ones who are taking care are not (by and large).
"“the vaccinated as well as the unvaccinated can transmit COVID…”
Misleading statement, as:
very few people who have been vaccinated contract COVID-19 (in rare instances the vaccine did not work for them)
otherwise, if someone who has been vaccinated contracts COVID-19 it will be a mild case so they will not shed much virus, thus risk of transmission is low.
You omit that the primary risk of transmission of SARS2 virus is from droplets hitting your face, and secondarily from touching your mouth or nose with hands contaminated from surfaces someone sneezed on.
As for your conspiracy theory, I point out that Marxism never fed anyone let along kept them healthy.
As for insurance, companies do try to assess risk. For example:
my residential insurer checked distance to fire hydrants
I have many examples of insurers being smart about assessing risk
But new pilots often crash because they are not familiar with basics lie avoiding stalling in turns. Similarly new automobile drivers lack knowledge and are often unsafe - three promising teenagers hit a tree in Surrey BC last wee, excessive speed was a factor. A problem is how to separate the well trained and careful from the riffraff, like the sports star who didn’t pull his little amphibian up soon enough - stunting and worse.
Indeed, diseases like polio and measles are very harmful.
You have a right to ruin your health, the moral question is about taking other people with you. So I have a moral right to avoid you. Socialized medicine complicates things by making me pay for your idiocy.
As for where SARS2 breeds, indeed it is in more than humans - animals can get it, household pets and farmed min for example. Indeed it may well have come from bats, who tend not to be severely affected by it, but the suspicion a virus was enhanced in a laboratory is credible - no smoking gun either way yet.
News flash - the FDA has now approved the Pfizer vaccine.
(Beware FDA writes bady, you have to
But I say it is not of huge significance, the vaccine was well trialed, considering risk versus benefit. Of course people with serious health problems or deficient immune systems are at greatest risk.
As for your claim that the CDC owns the patents etc I say NONSENSE. (Oh, right, you are a conspiracy theorist thus operate on emotions not facts and logic as aviators must or they die early.)