keith
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Need to fly somewhat higher?
Branches into props and air intakes and helo rotors could be fatal.
Oh!
Need to fly somewhat higher?
Branches into props and air intakes and helo rotors could be fatal.
Stay safe up there boys. That kind of flying is close to being that of military combat in terms of risk factors.
I want to know why they were flying that low? Understandable if they were dropping retardant though. That must have been a massive tree.
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Ask any veteran firefighter what a super hot blazing fire is capable of. Plus, the first sentence states they were at altitude. This indicates they were not at treetop level.
A hot enough raging fire flames would even leap across a street that hungry for oxygen.
In this case it was especially convention created, and forexample, you all know how strong and high an updraft in a thunderstorm can be.
“convective”
Flying higher is not effective for the drop. The flame retardant will dissipate and not give you the required coverage.
I’ve done this mission in C-130s when I was in the Air National Guard. It can be very dangerous. The effective drop altitude is between 150 to 300 feet AGL. Sometimes you’re dropping in a narrow valley with trees above you and not far off your wing tip.
So, sometimes you are below the trees on the ridgelines. The fire can create a fire tornado that obviously can lift all kinds of debris into the air. The burning tree sap can also explode sending shrapnel of bark and other tree materials into the air.
Shouldn’t be at treetop level, IIRC medium and small try for 200 feet clearance, bigger ones somewhat higher.
And attack paths are crucial, that’s what the ‘bird dog’ guide aircraft are for.
Two tankers lost in BC several years ago because they did not follow guide aircraft’s instructions - judging varying terrain with trees on it is very difficult, fatal fools did not turn into valley as told to.
Martin Mars lost in BC early in history of that operation, perhaps flying uphill after drop which is not wise path, possibility that drop doors did not open to release load.
10Tanker drug gear and flaps through trees one day, a very close call.
Coulson lost a C130 in Australia a few years ago, investigation ongoing, was flying in gently rising terrain and circling after partial drop, hit a big tree.
Sorry but incorrect. Branches can often fly high into the air due to the convection near a fire. I have had flaming branches pass my aircraft between 1,000-1,500 feet AGL near a fire.
Typical drop height is 150’ over lighter fuels (grass and sage) to 220’ over heavier fuels (trees).
The day previous to this incident, a BAe-146 was struck on the top of the fuselage while maneuvering for a drop as he was still a couple hundred feet over the ground.
As much as Britt and Wayne Coulson LOVE seeing their names in the news (free publicity), my understanding is none of their aircraft were involved. The aircraft in the near miss were a U.S. Forest Service “Lead Plane” and an Erickson Aero Air MD-87. The aircraft that was struck the previous day was a Neptune BAe-146.
But, as Mayor Daly used to say, never let a good crises go to waste.