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September 2021

robin

The date on this article is incorrect. The fatal accident occurred on Thursday Sept 16, 2021.
The co-pilot was more commonly known to most of us as Asti Livingston.

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September 2021

Arthur_Foyt

Maybe flying too slow (because the Mooney only had a 2600’ runway with trees)?

September 2021

maule

I’ve seen Mooneys (Piperpainter’s in particular) at Idaho/OR/WA backcountry airstrips less than 2,000’ they seem to do fine. Pretty capable airplane.

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September 2021

awmartin93

As a 47 year Mooney owner/operator I agree that the 2600’ runway should not be a problem. It is, however, much more comfortable carrying some power on final yielding a shallow glide path from which an engine failure would cause a landing short of the runway.

September 2021 ▶ maule

Arthur_Foyt

I’d agree, if this were her home airport. Speed and judgement has to be spot on. “I” in a Tiger would not enjoy such a short, unfamiliar, strip surrounded by trees. Of course it’s doable, you just need to have your “A” game in.

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September 2021 ▶ Arthur_Foyt

maule

True.

Even in my Maule it would have my undivided attention.

September 2021

system

Naturally, I don’t know what caused this crash. But the age of the pilot (73) might be a Contributing Factor. (If it wasn’t the Primary Factor, that the pilot simply died from old age (e.g., heart attack) in flight.) Which brings up the question: At what point is it irresponsible to continue to fly, age-wise?

I’m 65 now. My airplane partner and I decided to sell our Glasair two years ago because, in part, I was becoming too old to fly (and maintain) it. And I knew it. (There will come a time when I won’t know it - when I can’t remember what I don’t remember.) And so we thought it better to sell now than for you to read about us in AvWeb.

First, just on its face, I’m simply not as young as I used to be. My reflexes aren’t as fast as they used to be, making landings in extreme (gusty) crosswinds more difficult. My eyes don’t accommodate anymore, making night flying more difficult. (And progressives/bifocals make it worse.) I can’t think as quickly as I used to, making single pilot IFR much more difficult. I can’t get my oil pressure into the green - if you know what I mean. (While not a requirement for flying, I mention it simply to document the reality that, even though I hike regularly without issue, I’m not a young man anymore. E.g., My O2 Sat at 10,000’ now drops below 90%.)

In addition to these the realities of aging, I noticed other limitations creeping into my life. For example, while flying the Glasair with a potential buyer, I couldn’t, for the life of me, remember my North Tower Frequency of 40 years. And while working on a magneto one night, I remember picking up the mag and experiencing a “black hole” event, where it took about 30 seconds before I could recognize what I was holding in my hand. I was no longer a safe pilot.

Even if you’re not experiencing any of these signs of aging (although you’re probably fudging about your oil pressure, and maybe haven’t checked your O2 Sat at altitude), the simple fact is, the older we become, the closer we become to the day of our death. I’ve not seen a graph, but I expect that, past a certain age, the probability of dying from old age behind the stick increases exponentially. (E.g., the average life expectancy of a male in the USA is 75. So if you’re flying at 76, you’re on the back side of the power curve.) Even our Insurance Broker said that the Insurance Companies will not issue new policies on pilots over 80.

I’m not saying that old age caused this accident. But as Clint Eastwood, in a Dirty Harry movie, famously said “A man’s got to know his limitations.” There is a time for everything, and, sadly, that includes a time to stop flying.

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September 2021 ▶ robin

Mark_Phelps

Corrected, thank you. Sorry for your loss.

September 2021 ▶ system

system

Watch out, former. I hear they are considering executing everyone at age 66.
Hopefully, they will hold off long enough for me & my pal to attend the next UFO fly-in.

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September 2021 ▶ system

system

Funny. But sad.

My eye surgeon, a world famous doctor, who also flies his YAK in formation (24 inches apart, he tells me), stopped performing eye surgery after he turned 70. (Although he still maintains his practice behind his proropter.)

His hands seem steady enough. Whether he was forced to stop because of Insurance or whether he chose to stop out of prudence, I don’t know. (Unlike flying when too old, he won’t end up crashing and killing himself if he screws up a surgery at his age. But he will screw up his “passenger.”)

I say that he should stop flying his YAK in tight formation too.

But go ahead, let a 70 year old surgeon work on you. And go ahead and fly with a 70 year old in close formation. Let’s see how your movie ends.