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October 2022

Roger_Mullins

Fewer Jets sold more money made…do we see a problem, here?

October 2022

davebaker123

Selling private jets is an exercise in exaggerating value, juxtaposed to diminishing competitive markets such as airlines, charters, propeller aircraft and the iron horse (Or perhaps the horseless carriage?) Price tags in the millions make potential buyers nervous, unless their bank accounts can absorb such costs. As our media describes these people, they’re the “One Percenters”, and that cuts down significantly on the number of legitimate buyer prospects. Cessna has great jets, and their entry model (They sold T-37s to the military long before the Citation arrived) was a phenomenal–though somewhat disparaged–success. That market has all but vanished, with today’s realities reflecting a softening demand for these expensive chariots. Maybe some government buyers will make the phones ring in Wichita, but it looks like these jets will remain idle on showroom floors for the foreseeable future.

October 2022

johnbmcg

I would disagree with David’s concerns over shrinking market for private jets… Their backlog is growing, and the “One Percenters” by my math should equal roughly 3 million Americans. As wealthy get wealthier, and reflect on COVID experiences of avoiding airlines and trying private jet flights, they will continue to strongly prefer private jet travel, whether by full or partial ownership or charter. The fact that Gulfstream delivered more jets than Beechcraft did piston aircraft so far this year is a clue that high-end piston market is shrinking but jet market is healthy. There aren’t jets waiting on showroom floors, and some manufacturers are buying and refurbishing jets to expand inventory for sale.

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October 2022 ▶ johnbmcg

davebaker123

It’s not just the purchase price tag. Fuel costs are increasing, and if the owner isn’t going to fly the jet, then a crew must do those chores, and that costs money. Hangars, maintenance and insurance costs are increasing as well. Many of your “One Percenters” were hammered with the market drop, so they’re either broke or in an income bracket that precludes their buying jets, or any aircraft for that matter. I’m only adding color commentary to the article, which denotes softening of the private jet market. I owned a plane (Grumman TR-2), and the old joke about making a small fortune with that aircraft still applies: I started with a large fortune…

October 2022

davidbunin

There’s lots of money in aviation. I know. I put it there.

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October 2022 ▶ davidbunin

davidbunin

(I’m not the same David B as above)

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November 2022 ▶ davidbunin

davebaker123

Doppelganger.