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5h

kent.misegades

SOP in the military since the age of man. Test the enemy’s ability to spot you and what action do they take. The U.S. does this often as do many other nations.

4h

Fox

No pics of F4, F16, F15 and so on doing the same type of mission all around Europe along russian frontiers, everyday these 40 last years ?
No USAF RC135 flying in the area when the KAL 007 Boeing was shooted down ?
That is NO news except the fake that the “bad” ones are doing this, and we are the “good” ones but we are doing this more than everyone !
Greetings from France.

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4h

RationalityKeith

Amazingly similar to the USN’s P-3.
(Which was a derivative of the Lockheed Electra airliner of the 1950s.)

Appears to even have eyebrow windows in flight deck. Top of tail squared off, dorsal fin perhaps a bit different.

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4h ▶ RationalityKeith

RationalityKeith

There’s a business story in replacing the P-3.
Lockheed won the job with a low-cost derivative of the P-3 but project cost increased substantially including due to design problems, so USN cancelled.
In rebidding, Boeing won the job with the P-8 version of the B737.

3h ▶ RationalityKeith

Bubba

I’m thinking DC-7 retread. The real question for me is are those weapons bay doors that are open or some sort of side looking apparatus?

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2h ▶ Bubba

Tim_S1

The Il-38 is a militarized version of the Il-18, which was broadly similar to the Lockheed Electra, but the Il-18 flew slightly before the Electra, had a longer production run, and a more successful commercial career.

I’m pretty sure those doors are for weapons and/or sonobouys, since everything I can find mentions the Il-38 fitting all of its’ sensors into either a radome and FLIR turret under the nose, the MAD boom on the tail, or box-like fairing fitted over the forward fuselage on some examples.

2h ▶ Bubba

RationalityKeith

The engine installation is same as Electra except it appears that Lockheed wisely put intakes above propellors. (Lower-powered version of Herc engines, mounted upside down.)

2h ▶ Bubba

RationalityKeith

Sure look like bomb bay doors, dropping depth charges is normal for ASW airplanes, sometimes torpedoes.
I read that P-3’s bomb bay doors are forward of wing.
Nose looks extended for radar.
FLIR did not exist back then?
SLAR is also newer.

2h

RationalityKeith

Shemya is waaay out along the Aleutian chain.

Was a refuelling point for RCAF North Star airplanes enroute to/from the Korean War.
I worked with a guy who was FE on them in that operation.
(North Star is a DC-4 with R-R engines.)

1h ▶ Fox

FlyerDon

Don’t you mean greetings from Moscow, comrade?

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37m

jbmcnamee

Seems like having a bomb bay that far behind the wings would create an interesting CG problem. Some pretty major nose down pitch on ordinance release.

34m ▶ FlyerDon

Fox

No, from France, the country that refused to go to war in Irak where everybody knew that Mass Destruction Arms were just non existent ! Just think about it !