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November 9

Jetjock6o

Hedge funds, eh? Well there goes the subscription pricing.

November 9

jjbaker

As a former Jeppesen employee who really enjoyed his time in the company - I wonder what kind of glue is being sniffed among Boeing’s leadership.

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November 9

tommy

Boeing is not in a position to negotiate the sale of anything. They will get pennies on the dollar for the sale of anything IF anyone really wants to buy anything.

November 9

jbmcnamee

This comes as no surprise to me. Back in the 1990s, a guy by the name of Peter Lynch wrote a book titled “One up on Wall Street”, an instruction manual on investing for the layman. Lynch was the top investment manager of the Fidelity Magellan mutual fund, the largest and most successful mutual fund at the time. One of the chapters delved into the life cycle of corporations and how to recognize investment opportunities there. One of the tendencies of a rising and expanding business was to diversify, or “diworseify”, in Lynch’s terminology, into extraneous businesses that may or may not fit into their core business philosophy. Sometimes this tactic would help the business grow and expand, but often it simply diverted funds and attention away from the main corporate direction. Then, as time passes, the company begins to experience a loss of direction, and its value begins to stumble. Upper management sees some turnover until someone comes in that announces the company is returning to its “core competencies” - corporate speak for dumping assets that aren’t really in step with where the company should be heading. Sound familiar? Whether this approach will put Boeing back on track remains to be seen, but I view it as a good first step. Mending fences with their employees would also help a lot.

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November 9

Raf

Opening bid: $6 billion. All offers considered, even those with a little wiggle room. Just keep the decimal point in the same neighborhood. :slightly_smiling_face:

November 11

joe5

Once these hedge funds get involved, we will all be screwed. Take a look at Hartzell as an example. Prices have gone through the roof after they were acquired. They are not stopping there either. I would expect them to be in the bidding war for Jeppesen and probably Foreflight as well. I expect the price to go much higher than $6B as there will be lots of bidders.

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November 11 ▶ joe5

cannuck

Saw the same things happen to many of the companies scooped up by GE (Walter being one). Parts prices for 601s went up 2x to 10x overnight. The entire world economy is being screwed over by finance since businessmen and entrepreneurs no longer own and run companies.

November 11

FlyerDon

“Hive off”? Is that a Canadian thing?

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November 11

BestGlideSpeed

Speaking of ForeFlight, when Boeing purchased them, there was a lot of speculation whether the service would change for the worse. Competitors looking to woo us over offered special pricing for those who would switch. At the time, I looked hard at the other platforms but ultimately decided to stay put. Nevertheless, if prices go further north, I will reconsider.

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November 11 ▶ FlyerDon

rniles

I guess so. Bound to happen:)

November 11 ▶ FlyerDon

RationalityKeith

Brit anyway, Canucks are bilingual - Brit and American.
(Ignoring French and Spanish and …)

(Surprising how many British words are creeping into Canada-US use, such as ‘rubbish’ (for garbage and nonsense).)

November 11 ▶ jjbaker

RationalityKeith

Before or after Boeing purchased Jeppesen?

Why did Boeing buy Jeppesen?

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November 11 ▶ BestGlideSpeed

art

I considered ForeFlight since everyone here is using it. I stuck with WingXPro as an early adopter, and now have a Dynon glass panel, which reduces my need for the features of ForeFlight. I know a number of pilots who switched from ForeFlight. There are other up and coming competitors too such as Airmate which is more featureful but has some rough edges with database updates and is coming along nicely. I have subscriptions to both WingX and /Airmate based on Dynon’s offerings.

November 11 ▶ jbmcnamee

RationalityKeith

There’s also the impact of not fully understanding the business and stultified thinking that is not ruining the original business - yet, but harms the acquired business.

And choice of business - in diversifying decades ago Boeing invested in hydrofoil boats, but they were not suited for wet coast waters as foils could be collapsed by hitting the logs common in waters in those days (from logging activities). Expertise in making big boats was in Seattle already. They succeeded elsewhere in at least small numbers, such as Hawaii.

Before that Boeing was early into turboshaft gas turbines for ground and air use, I forget what that was hived off into (not Solar AFAIK).

Of course manufacture and design quality are crucial. BC ferries failed badly with a fast catamaran ferry because:

November 13 ▶ RationalityKeith

Siegfried.lenz

To provide an ancillary service. I think the idea at the time was to provide every kind of product or service someone buying an airliner might need. Given the recent news about gigantic credit lines / new stock being approved for Boeing I wonder why they’d be in a hurry to sell a “cash cow” that seems to perform well and certainly is a market leader.

November 15

n784ga

The loss of Jepp to Boeing, and the inability to work out agreements to support legacy Garmin product is just another reflection of the how the finance bros are ruining aviation. Boeing also owns Aviall, which lost its way as well. Transdigm (Champion Aerospace) and Tailwind Technologies are other private equity blood suckers. Tailwind resold Hartzell to Arcline Investment Management in 2023. Hartzell has monopolized the starter business, where all units are over $1000. To add insult to injury they add a core charge to new starters. Another hedge fund, Vance Street operates Victor Sierra Aviation in the GA Space, and they own: Aviation Products Systems, Airforms, Great Planes, McFarlane Aviation, Tempest Aero Group and PMA Products.
A tiedown at Pompano is $450, and more at Boca! GA is a small world and our kids are being GOUGED for choosing it as a career.

November 15 ▶ jbmcnamee

Pete_P

Jeppesen can hardly be characterized as “diverting funds and attention away from the main corporate direction.” It is a low-risk, well-established and profitable operation that brings in steady revenue and doesn’t need a lot of administrative attention. While simplification = better is a valid paradigm, spinning it off to give the appearance of simplifying administration—when it wasn’t complicating operations at all—would be blindly following the recipe in a cookbook for the sake of keeping overseers happy.