May 9
What is incredible is that the “dog fight” took place seemingly without any piloted aircraft going over the border into the other country.
All done at high altitude with long range, out of sight firing, air to air missiles. At €1 million a pop.
And, if the rumours are true, the Indian Rafales which were shot down (at least one according to French sources) either did not have detection radar switched on, or it was switched on, but did not work, and so no jamming was possible for the incoming missile.
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May 9
Both nations have nuclear capability. Hopefully cooler heads prevail. I recall the ‘duck and cover’ drills in the 60s while in primary school. In my opinion, we are far less safe now than then. It only takes a spark to start a massive wildfire.
Just my 2 cents and it isn’t worth that much… I’m going flying this morning to clear my head and improve my mood.
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May 9
▶ Bruce_S
On the bright side, I did get less overseas scam phone calls yesterday. Any escalation (up to an exchange of nukes there) might just reduce unwanted phone calls to near zero. So yea, maybe there is a silver lining.
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May 9
Not really sure lobbing missiles from beyond visual range with no engaged maneuvering meets the definition of “dogfight”. I was picturing a “Battle of Britain” scenario from the headline, but that doesn’t appear to be the case here. Not good, nonetheless.
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May 9
Nope, no silver lining if nukes are exchanged.
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May 9
▶ gmbfly98
If it disrupts their communication centers and power stations…then yea, it’s a good thing. The silver lining is no more scam phone calls to my home phone ringing every 5 minutes. Honestly I’m bet that millions of people have secretly wished that upon such counties that allow scam call centers. If they destroy themselves, well, that’s on them & the rest of the world rests easier.
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May 9
▶ nk93kw
I agree. That type of engagement from beyond visual range is more aptly described as a missile exchange or something. A real dogfight is what we used to call a “knife fight in a phone booth.”
May 9
▶ nk93kw
Not really sure lobbing missiles from beyond visual range with no engaged maneuvering meets the definition of “dogfight”.
Agreed. The only dogs involved here are the ones that bite the pilot should he reach for a control.
May 9
It will be interesting to see if OSINT reveals. Were there anyany Pakistani losses? Curious about the performance of the PL-15 v. Rafales. Are the Pakistani AF pilots getting trained by the Chinese, and how do they stack up against the Indian AF? What about the Indians and their training from EU suppliers?
May 9
Clickbait headline. Not a dogfight.
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May 9
This might be the kind of “story” that AVweb might want to stay away from.
May 9
▶ f4gary
This. My dog barked at the dog across the street. This was not a dogfight.
May 10
While it’s too early to fully assess the impact, the ongoing conflict will likely disrupt spam call center operations in the region, increase operational risks, and potentially force a shift in the global spam call industry. So far today, I’ve received 11 such calls, so clearly, some brave souls are still on the job.
May 11
▶ Arthur_Foyt
Yes, it’s all about me (you) here, AJ. As always. No worries about the nukes, escalation beyond their borders, millions (billions?) of war victims and refugees, and more international chaos. No, as long as you can sit in your armchair and pontificate without getting interrupted. All good 
May 12
If this supposed combat dogfight between India and Pakistan occurred over their airspace and observations were monitored and recorded, there may closed door studies of combat strategies examining weapons used, expected results and actual outcomes for future reference. Perhaps another addition to war college curriculums.
May 12
▶ johnbpatson
So was it jet fighters or drones? Sounds like drones! In which case, who ever has the best electronics with the most accurate missiles will win the drone fight; if it lasted an hour! Why use the term jet fighters for a drone fight? Sounds like trying to confuse people using the term jet fighters for a drone fight! It also sounds like jet fighters are now old equipment, not wanting or needing to be used to save expensive jet fighters and their pilots! Or jet fighters only used when all the drones are used up; which should be never! Or, the planet is going to drone fights from now on in. So, who will be overwhelmed first? Ukraine or Russia? The arms dealers must be loving this; building as many drones as the any particular country can afford! Messy, messy, messy!!! And ugly, ugly, ugly!!! And can not afford to ban arms dealers! They will just move to where ever they are accepted!!!
