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December 2022

jlsmith322

If you didn’t have the video, I would have sworn it was a Photoshopped image for April Fool’s Day.

December 2022

kor745

We are getting closer to the unducted fan concept.

December 2022

granburyaircraftserv

Because 12 blades would have been overkill.

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December 2022

gliders

More details: “… The 11-blade prop is recommended to be installed on one engine only, due to the necessity of replumbing that side’s wing tank for deicer.”

December 2022

RichardKatz

well…I listened to the company video, obviously recorded on a cell phone, and while there was turbine noise, I didn’t hear any prop noise! Maybe they’re onto something here!

December 2022

NordicDave

Bought a Hartzell 3 blade Top-Prop for my 182. Hartzell factory rep said it’s about all they sell for 182’s, and if they made a 5 blade he said they wouldn’t be able to make enough of them. :7)

Funny when thinking back and some planes had a 1 blade prop. Look it up.

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December 2022

mattscrane

Ok, higher static thrust and lower noise. What about cruise fuel efficiency? That’s a lot of prop blade tips, no?

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December 2022 ▶ mattscrane

rpstrong

Not a problem; you simply trim the blade tips off.

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December 2022

Tom_Ciura

Now imagine the cost of a prop strike or repair !

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December 2022 ▶ granburyaircraftserv

Arthur_Foyt

That was the funniest post all year. Now let me clean the cofee off my screen! Thanks for the laugh.

December 2022 ▶ NordicDave

lstencel

True story about the one blade prop. Some years ago at my airport west of OSH, some guy trailered in an old Cub from WA to assemble then fly into the show. It had one of those single bladed props but he wasn’t planning on flying it with it. I told him that he should take it and the tools to install it after he took it to Airventure where he’d wind up wowing the crowd. Instead, he just displayed it. It was supposed to be MORE efficient but – in practice wasn’t. In place of a second blade, it had a stubby lead weight. It was certificated for the 40hp and 65hp engines. It was made by Everel. I think PB needs one.

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December 2022 ▶ Tom_Ciura

lstencel

If repair of a two bladed prop is enough to cause a heart attack, repair of this thing would cause a world-wide depression.

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December 2022 ▶ rpstrong

mattscrane

LOL!

December 2022 ▶ lstencel

mattscrane

… or it could drive the economy of a medium sized town. :wink:

December 2022 ▶ lstencel

maule

BITD the fastest racing line control model airplanes used 1 blade props.

Makes me dizzy remembering them!

December 2022

gwrallen

This prop goes to 11!

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December 2022

David_Jackson

Matt C.
… or it could drive the economy of a medium sized town.

And just where would you put it? Jiffy Lube? “Get your oil changed and a prop wash”?

December 2022

pilotmww

I would hate to be the one flying this on an airplane without an auto feather system when an engine quits. The amount of drag created with 11 unfeathered blades would be interesting.

December 2022 ▶ gwrallen

maule

Extra credit for the Spinal Tap reference.

December 2022

panshovevo

Agreed. I have limited experience with constant speed props, but my Pitts had a 2 blade MT on it when I bought it. Even with just two blades, it was like hitting a wall when I pulled the power back on downwind, compared to a fixed pitch prop on the same airframe.

December 2022

cosmoadsett

For efficiency, isn’t it still the case that the fewer blades, the better? If so, this design surely only has limited applications.

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December 2022 ▶ cosmoadsett

jlsmith322

Few, or even a single, blades has less tip effects (induced drag) than more blades (raw count of blade #). This would make a single blade of infinite length more “efficient” from an induced drag perspective. But there is more to propeller disc efficiency than just minimizing induced drag. The blades have weight, and the longer the blade, the more it has to weigh to support the extra length. The propeller also has to trade off length with Mach effects at the tips. The propeller has to trade off the change in profile from the hub (low speed) to the tip (high speed) - the shape has to be rigid enough to not deform under flight loads. The blades also have to be short enough (or mounted high enough) not to hit the ground or the aircraft.

Think of that 11-blade prop as the turboprop answer to a turbofan’s fan section - they are trying to transfer the maximum amount of energy into the air around the disc of the propeller’s existing sweep.

December 2022

Thomas_Hoffmann

There have been a few articles about these MT propellers in some german aviation magazines.
According to these more blades make sense if you can reduce prop speed. Around 1700 to 2000 rpm for a turbine engine. Piston engines operating at around 2500 to 2700 rpm are to fast for more blades.
There is an MT 7 blade propeller certified for the Pilatus PC-12. I have seen one landing and it was amazingly quiet. MT claims a reduction in cabin noise by more than half and shortened take off roll.
The 11 blade prop is supposed to increase static thrust by 15% and decrease noise even more. Part of it is also a reduction in diameter which will lead to even lower tip speed.
Single blade props have high efficiency because the blade runs mostly in undisturbed air and not in the vortex of the other blade(s). There are a few in use on powered gliders with retractable engines, where they reduce required space for the engine+prop box in the fuselage. Single blade propellers are counter balanced by a weight and have an articulating mount to remove bending moment on the drive shaft. Imagine a Bell 206 rotor with one blade cut off and replaced by a weight.