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August 21

Tom_Waarne

How about a push/pull cable without the lever.

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August 21

Jetjock6o

How about a Carb Heat knob and control cable coming out of the panel in my hand while landing at KOSH in my 182 nearly 20 years ago in a C-182.

August 21

tommy

How about a little preventative maintenance. Completely preventable.

August 21

LowWingFlyer

Judging from the number of landings these are flight school planes with a lot of students learning to not jam the throttle. Still it does seem like a weak point looking at the fracture point. One thing I keep wondering is why are small plane manufacturers not ever required to announce a recall like auto manufacturers and fix their design flaws? It seems it always falls to the owner to correct.

August 21

rick.freeman100

How about a little context? What goes into that cutout in the throttle lever? A bolt? A cable bead? And why only a ACS? Even if that operator had 100 planes, that’s still a 25% failure rate at a known time. This defect requires a new design, clearly. If that break happened after takeoff, a low time pilot would have a tough time managing energy, altitude, and flap speeds to accomplish a landing. Is the FAA following a required procedure here? Is this an overcautious officer? What more statistical info is required? A replacement looks like an easy install. And Only 20 samples are needed for a 95% confidence level. They have 24.

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August 21 ▶ rick.freeman100

Planeco

The ACS process was lobbied by industry stakeholders and implemented by the FAA in response to concerns that regulatory decisions were/may be made without having all information available prior to making a decision.

August 21

roganderson60

My eyeball engineering look at it does seem to say not a very stout looking lever considering it gets pushed and pulled constantly. I went to the OKC GADO years ago to take a CFI flight test. The guy was just plane mean and rude. I was an airman up at Vance AFB. We finally decided to go do the flying portion. As he got into the C150, his leg bumped the throttle and bent it about ninety degrees up. He just said,“if you can get that fixed, let me know.” then he got out slammed the door and walked away. I walked over to a nearby FBO and told a mechanic my needs. He came over and with his hand bent it back straight, no charge or paperwork. I retrieved the FADO guy and away we went. Wind was gusting to about 30. On takeoff the stall horn beeped once with a gust. He said, “son, you just about killed us”. I was thinking I was wasting my time. He did actually pass me. I think it was maybe remorse about bending the throttle. 1967 and I still remember his name.

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August 21

svanarts

This just tells me that not all aircraft are suitable as basic trainers.

August 21 ▶ roganderson60

rick.freeman100

Who does a checkride with gusting to 30?

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August 21 ▶ rick.freeman100

roganderson60

Anyone that lives in Oklahoma. Fortunately, the wind there is usually only out of the north or south and most runways are aligned accordingly.

August 21

eagerlee6.gmail.com

I would like to see a photo of the crack location on the Cirrus

August 21

mcapocci

Vibration and ham fisting will eventually lead to crack initiaition in aluminum alloys. It is had to determine initiation site as the pictures do not show enough detail. However with the fleet examination showing the number of issues I would call Cirrus after the FAA reporting and have a chat about replacement parts vis a vis how many AC have been purchased. One of those quite friendly chats that have the background (unstated) of what kind of S*(t may be coming next).

August 21

Skypark

Humans typically react to the ergonomics presented, so a nice robust handle needs to be connected to an equally robust shaft, regardless of the actual actuating force required to do the job.

August 21

shalom

I do not understand why they discuss ALL SR series. I am certain that neither G1 nor G2 use this style handle. Mine is a flat stamped solid metal bar. This one looks like a hollow square tube.

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August 21 ▶ Tom_Waarne

rkphillipsjr

On a Cirrus, the lever controls both the throttle and the propeller.

August 21

mjkobb

It’s the wire for the TO/GA switch mounted on the underside of the throttle lever.

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August 21

mjkobb

I think they want to be sure that the problem is confined to the ones that have the hollow center for the wire. The same area is probably pretty stressed on the solid ones and they want to be sure.

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August 22 ▶ mjkobb

rick.freeman100

Thanks. So it’s the Takeoff/Go Around button. I gather then, that the opening is a wire exit point and the wire routes upward INSIDE that lever? Note the rounded corners to avoid wear on the wire insulation perhaps. Admitedly I’m speculating because I have not looked at this part of a Cirrus.

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August 22 ▶ rick.freeman100

mjkobb

Correct. The wire runs inside the metal shaft to reach the button that’s up in the handgrip. This is present on the Perspective (G1000) planes.

August 22 ▶ mjkobb

shalom

I will be surprised. Mine is a flat aluminum plate and all forces are parallel to the plate surface. Yes, stress is possible but the forces required!