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April 14

jjbaker

RIP Seankese Johnson.

Dying in a helicopter wreck, especially after the flying aparatus has disassembled itself and converted back to the laws of gravity, may not be quite as loveable, as it is made out to be.

It may only be a few seconds of horror and fairly pain free, which gives some peace of mind.

From own close- calls my assumption has always been, that the pilot of a crashing ship is too busy to realize whats going on.

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April 14 ▶ jjbaker

atpcficto

Well stated, sir. Thank you.

April 14

Raf

Rest in peace. May your memory bring comfort.

April 14

jjbaker

Hasn’t Chuck Schumer already shown highest levels of politically driven subject matter incompetence by making incredibly dumb-assed comments about this crash and helicopter tours in general? Or does he sport the wrong letter behind his name, to be considered?

April 14

MWSletten

I love flying, but I don’t want to die doing it. If I ever do have a fatal accident I hope people don’t say this about me. You can say I died hoping others will learn from my mistakes, but I don’t want something I love to be the death of me.

April 14

dbier

Thanks for the Monday morning laugh - at your expense. Admin should remove your inane post.

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April 14 ▶ dbier

JohnTownsley

Agree. Post by SteveR is unhelpful in understanding this accident, very disrespectful of pilot & pax, and contributes nothing beyond a worthless waste of bandwidth.

April 14

Rich440

Stats have shown that the accident curve on pilots is highest up to 900 hrs. of flight time (rotary wing time) then they drop off gradually. The pilot only had 800 hours of flight time and he just received his commercial license in 2023 – one factor to consider - ie: mast bump issue.

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April 14

Paul_Young

Such a sad and tragic outcome for what had been planned as part of a happy birthday celebration for one of the kids. Not being a helo driver, a fixed winger with some brief exposure to controlling a helo while accompanied by an experienced helo driver, I’m curious as to what could cause an entire rotor assembly to detach from the helo during what would appear from the video to be a stable 1g flight condition though there may have been CAT.

April 14 ▶ Rich440

Aviatrexx

True, but most mast-bump failures in semi-rigid rotor systems cause the blades to separate from the mast. In this case, you can clearly see from the photos that the blades are both still connected to the mast, and the mast is still attached to the transmission. That’s not to say that the bumping forces couldn’t have caused the transmission to separate from the powerplant and airframe as a unit, but it seems a stretch. As of now, they still haven’t found the rotor/transmission assembly that was photographed falling intact but separately from the fuselage. This looks like improper or insufficient maintenance and inspection to me.

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April 14 ▶ Aviatrexx

RationalityKeith

Thanks.
Good images are hard to find.

Does the 206L have a ‘teetering’ rotor design, which I understand to be prone to ‘mast bumping’?

(The 407’s rotor hub looks different.)

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April 14 ▶ Aviatrexx

havenrich2

My wife just told me about a NYT article which included a statement about metal particles in the transmission oil. As I am an A&P, that’s piqued my curiosity about the maintenance logs and history of the aircraft. Finding the missing parts should answer many questions.

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April 14 ▶ havenrich2

Aviatrexx

One might think that a sudden stoppage of the transmission could have sheared its drive shaft and ripped it and everything attached to it, out of the fuselage.

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April 14 ▶ Aviatrexx

Douglas_C

Which could have caused the sudden, dramatic adverse yaw seen in the video, which in turn could have overstressed and separated the tail boom. I won’t make assumptions, but the maintenance history including the reported September 2024 transmission metal chips and bearing failure, as well as the company’s reported financial troubles will certainly get a lot of attention from the NTSB.

April 14

pilotmww

Looks like the gearbox/main rotor system has been found. Hopefully investigators will be able to find the cause with this find.

April 15

RationalityKeith

The pilot had time in a Chinook - big two-rotor machine, fighting forest fires.

April 15 ▶ RationalityKeith

RationalityKeith

Yes it does, have a teetering rotor design, according to Wikipedia.

Robinson helicopter company gets much criticism over its teetering design.

April 15

meh5326

He was never a SEAL. Shame on this publication for not checking on that. Now the family is embarrassed. He served at a SEAL Team in a support role but never graduated from BUD/S.

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April 15 ▶ meh5326

rniles

We didn’t mean to embarrass anyone and we thought that specifying that he was a technician was enough to distinguish him from an actual SEAL but I guess not. I’ll fix it.