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March 24

dcmarotta

Less talk, more action…

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March 24

henderrj

Why ASTM? Because the industry that makes money on these products wants to protect its territory from all newcomers. The purpose of this organization is to ensure no one encroaches on their business monopoly.

Right now time is their enemy. GAMI is ready to go, in fact is going. They, the entire group, are years out before they can deliver any product. So FUD - fear, uncertainty, and doubt. Cast aspersions on the competition until you can finally overwhelm them with big money marketing and underhanded, back room, techniques to put them out of business.

Hopefully G100UL will reach a marketing level where it can survive. Competition is good, remember?

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March 24 ▶ dcmarotta

Steve_Miller

Yeah! I’m sure the homebrewed secret gas I’ve made will be fine, I’m tired of people talking about it and the HUGE compatibility, reliability, and availability issues. We should just DO something without thinking about it from now on! Sure many will die, and billions in destroyed engines, fuel tanks, hoses, etc will be lost. But we’re all about action now!

March 24 ▶ henderrj

craigamorton

I actually read the article and saw zero ‘aspersions’ cast on GAMI. I have nothing but respect for what George has done bringing G100UL to market, but the argument for a ASTM standard remains a valid one.

March 24

jmflyer

I wonder why EAGLE’s own website still shows a “Pathway to Approve Use of Fuel” still shows an “Independent Specification” as acceptable if an STC is sought.

In my opinion, the jury is still out on G100UL and it’s alleged compatibility issues (I would like to hear from the FAA), but it doesn’t help to change the rules when we’re so far along in this process. At least EAGLE should make it clear that the rules have changed and alter the diagram in the link above.

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March 25 ▶ jmflyer

Raf

Asking for a friend… What happens if a high-performance engine, modified or tuned for unleaded avgas like G100UL or UL94, suddenly has to run on 100LL again? Could this lead to detonation issues, increased lead deposits, or unexpected maintenance problems? With unleaded avgas burning cleaner and some engines being adjusted with advanced timing or mixture settings, I wonder if reverting to 100LL could pose safety risks or damage critical engine components. If so, how should pilots, mechanics, and aircraft owners prepare for this possibility?

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March 25 ▶ Raf

n8274k

Have you come across much 80 octane AVGAS recently? Once 100LL is replaced, it’s gone!

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March 25

bbgun06

GAMI explains why they’re not using ASTM on their website. They have already published the specifications for G100UL. ASTM would not add anything of value.

March 25

Raf

I haven’t used 80-octane AVGAS myself, but according to Google, there are several places in New Mexico that still sell it.

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March 27 ▶ Raf

n8274k

I must be using a budget Internet but I saw the last 80-octane refiner stopped in 2011.

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March 27 ▶ n8274k

Raf

You are correct. However, the listings on Google are still there