Wind sites still need 100% BACKUP because of calm and low wind days.
CO2 is not a pollutant since it is the building block of all plant life and thus our life.
What are YOU talking about, Andrew? Mark is correct to ask the obvious question. Where WILL the power come from when Kansas’ infamous tornados take down that facility or the wind stops? That’s being critical?? What logic course did you take? Time for YOU to stop being critical and myopically one-sided.
I’d ask how do we really know that the energy Textron is buying actually comes from the Soldier Creek Wind Energy Center. How do we know that they’re not double or triple selling so called renewable energy credits? I see that as the next scam du jour. And less than 2 cents per KWH. Geezus … I pay six times that. Sounds like a scam to get cheap energy to entities by DRPS / KCC. Just WHO is subsidizing that operation? OH … maybe it’s part of all that ‘free stuff’ agenda currently seen on TV.
Beyond that, Mark F is likewise correct that the single largest source of CO2 (what plants eat to make humans the oxygen they need) is the oceans. The notion that CO2 is some sort of ‘poison’ is fallacious. And CO2 levels are still way lower today than they were in the past when humans had no significant impact on the planet. How did THAT happen? Were cavemen driving too many pickup trucks? Climate whackos are moaning about all the trees being taken down in the Amazon … why don’t they figure out what trees “eat?”
I summer near Oshkosh in an area near where the Midwest Renewable Energy Assn has an annual Energy Fair. I go because I’m interested in PV as a backup … and not primary. The people who go to that fair look like left over hippies from Golden Gate Park and the Haight Ashbury ‘hood’ of the 60’s. They think that the entire world can run on electric … and totally ignore that there are energy “costs” associated with each and every alternative energy scheme. We can be smart about energy but lets not get carried away with it all. Read “Lukewarming of the Planet.”
Rather than retort to me … google Burt Rutan’s one hour long dissertation on Climate Change and become educated.
I gotta go … my tree needs hugging … and Al Gore is coming over tomorrow to sell me some energy credits from his “Exchange.” I’ll be able to drive my 7.5L 460ci Ford all I want by doing THAT! (sigh).
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Absolutely!
Nuclear generation is the only alternative to provide baseline power in the absence of fossil fuels. The old AEC researched many reactor technologies that lacked the inherent dangers of pressurized water systems - but Westinghouse, Foster Wheeler, and their customers were committed to them and AEC funding dried up. One of DOE’s top priorities ought to be resurrecting those programs, refining them and bringing them into the 21st century.
Rant accomplished, I don’t see anything wrong Textron’s wind turbines.
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Here in the Peoples Republik, the inteligentia doesn’t like wind power, because wind turbines “kill birds and are an eyesore.” Really.
They also don’t like hydro power because dams are bad for the ecology.
They hate nuclear power because nuclear weapons are evil. Really.
They hate coal-fired, oil-fired, and natural-gas-fired power because it warms the planet.
They also hate fur coats, as a means of staying warm in the winter.
They hate me because I don’t buy in to their dystopian visions.
Lacking time for hate, I say " bring on the wind turbines!" Just don’t rely on them.
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Wind turbines are fine… but the notion that using so-called clean energy to create oil burning machines as “virtuous” is rather funny.
Larry, there is so much misinformation in your comment I think you might be an internet propaganda 'bot.
CO2 levels are 40% higher than they’ve been for at least 800,000 years and the increase happened in the last 200.
CO2 becomes a pollutant when there’s too much of it. Do you actually believe scientists don’t know plants need CO2 to grow?
Get off talk radio and whatever oil company sponsored web sites you’re reading and see what NASA and the US National Academy of Sciences have to say about this subject.
I have color 8" x 10" glossy charts that say YOU are wrong Dan. No point in arguing. CO2 is not a poison and that’s that.
If nukes were economically viable, energy companies would be building dozens of them. Around the free world, the few new plants being built are going vastly over budget and beyond scheduled completion. No insurance companies will touch them, so governments have to indemnify them.
Until one of these magical leaps in technology we keep hearing about actually arrives in an economical form, nukes will continue to lag behind other growing forms of energy.
Again, Larry, I advise you to seek genuine scientific sources for your information. NASA and the US National Academy of Sciences are good places to start.
Since co2 has risen but the atmosphere has not warmed; then co2 is not the mechanism for the recent surface warming. That is good news.
You forced me to pull out my climate date folder. From the NOAA Dept of Paleoclimatology in Boulder and using ice core samples from Antarctica going back 740,000 years, there have been five ‘warm ages’ where average temps were above a datum line from present day average temps. ALL of the previous four before now were MUCH larger than todays warming which is a pimple, by comparison. It IS higher – I concede – but not anywhere near the largest warm cycle which was about 125,000 years ago. And NOAA is extrapolating that the long term cycling trend is for temps to go down NOT up. But that’s not based upon hard fact so who knows?
Greenland didn’t get its name by accident. Based upon ice cores from there where the oldest known DNA samples were recovered, the island was covered by a boreal forest and had insect life between 450,000 and 800,000 years ago. During the Medieval Warm Period, Greenland was again green and settled. And that was before cars (and airplanes), I think?
The Nat’l Academy of Sciences is among the worst source of data because THEY diddled it along with others. They have a parochial interest in same. NASA is some better but is likewise parochial. I believe neither. If you want to … knock yourself out and buy a Tesla. I believe that the Academy of Sciences is a bunch of leftie loons with an agenda.
This blog isn’t about Climate change but about Textron calling itself “green” and “sustainable” because of some crazy energy credit scheme put together by still another governmental State agency. All of those wind mills don’t get built without using energy. Who pays for them? How can they possibly sell energy SO cheap? Lotsa heavy duty questions. It’s as crazy as an airline trying to call itself green because it bought energy credits.
I do NOT believe a few degrees of temperature increases are an existential threat to humanity. In fact, in the very distant past, all the animals and plants were huge because CO2 levels WERE higher. If you want to believe the opposite … again … knock yourself out. Why don’t you sign up to be on the first ship to Mars with Elon if you’re that worried?
At the current time, wind and solar installations are being subsidized by one government entity or another. If they weren’t subsidized, they would not be built because the construction costs are higher than gas turbine combined cycle plants. Oh, and combined cycle plants are over 60% efficient (some range as high as 85%), and they have a 97%+ on-stream reliability factor. Most power management agencies figure wind power as being about 60% efficient, but only have a 30% on-stream factor. It’s not me saying that, it’s the same agencies that dispatch power to the nation’s grid. It means that Textron, or any other wind consumer, will be buying non-subsidized power (at the higher rate) about 70% of the time. Don’t get me wrong, I support building wind farms and solar stations wherever they make sense (you can’t plunk a wind farm just anywhere). But, let’s not go all gooey and crazy about either one. Let’s be real: If Textron didn’t get the lower power costs - at your expense - they probably would have passed on the deal. The PR about being “green” is just icing on the cake.
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Dan,
You’re right about the poor economics of nuclear power generation.
Part of that is due to the complexity of moderated pressurized water reactors, and the plethora of failure scenarios that had to be mitigated. PWRs constituted a necessary compromise when the mission required them to fit inside a submarine. They were never appropriate for civil power generation but they had all the momentum during the 1950s. The other part of the puzzle was the ability of the anti-nuclear movement to manipulate our legal system during licensing hearings to delay billion-dollar projects by months and years - killing some in their tracks and souring the utilities on the future of nuclear power by the '70s. This was all before Three Mile Island, Chernobyl and Fukushima which provided the last nail. For the record, Duke Energy has operated its PWRs profitably for decades. The industry won’t return to PWRs for all the reasons you’ve mentioned, but fail-safe alternatives have been demonstrated (U.S.AEC WASH 1097 [1969]).
All I am saying is that prior work needs to updated and scaled up further by DOE. The licensing and actuarial processes need to be rationalized. Then, If nuclear can be supplanted by other technologies for baseline power I’m perfectly happy. I’m not happy if we turn our backs on any viable baseline strategy for ideological reasons.
I live in the eastern Washington desert. The land of solar and wind turbines. We also have many dams on the nearby Columbia and Snake Rivers, and nuclear from Hanford.
I don’t like the turbines. As often as not they are in disrepair and yes, they are an eyesore on an otherwise beautiful desert landscape. Solar I don’t care much one was or the other, I’m only angered by tax dollars subsidizing liberals to feel better about themselves.
The dams are what they are and don’t bother me. Nuclear is a good idea and I favor it.
Best solution for electricity from a cost benefit point of view is likely natural gas, perhaps clean(er) coal.
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Exactly my points, John. If Textron had to pay 15 cents / KwH for the “green” energy, they wouldn’t be doing it. As William says below, Kansas tax dollars are subsidizing liberals to feel better about themselves … and little more.
Eastern Washington is fortunate to have abundant clean energy, from the dams to the wind & solar. I also include nuclear power in there for its non emission advantages. But, I have to smile a little whenever someone mentions “clean” coal. Having worked around the power industry for many years I can tell you that clean coal does not exist. Research into making coal less polluting has produced something that does produce much lower particulate emissions in the air. But, it still creates a huge amount of ash that has to be carefully disposed of or it will cause significant water pollution. Also, the actual “fuel” produced is a mixture of hydrogen and carbon monoxide, which will burn, but has a low BTU content. And, once burned, it still releases far more CO2 than natural gas. Since it has such a low energy content, it requires more fuel per unit volume than natural gas, which means higher CO2 emissions.
In power generation there is no free lunch. All energy sources have a downside. Wind and solar are no exception. That’s why we need all of them.
Thanks for the extra detail John.
I put ‘clean’ in quotes because I know it is a misnomer.
It’s main advantage is an immense supply and the ability to provide us with independent energy for many years. With that said it’s not first line in my estimation.
Interesting. The unintended consequences will be interesting to see develop both the good and bad. I hope this happens in the US. Air travel is not only a right, it is also a privilege. It would be nice to see the “privilege” side of the equation weighted the same as the “it’s my right” side.
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Yay! This is a huge step towards communism in Canada, congrats! Americans better think and act, they have already come for our guns, now it’s our health with an experimental “vaccine” that does not prevent getting or spreading the virus. Pure nonsense, how would I be a problem for anyone else if I’m not vaccinated? This clearly has nothing to do with a virus and everything to do with removing our rights and freedoms. If you doubt that, stop and think for yourself. The swine flu, H1N1, bird flu and others were all the same virus, it was our reaction that was way overblown. Hitler would be proud, as he always said it’s lucky for the government the people they govern don’t think. Wake up now, or prepared to be asked for your “papers” at every corner. Then the real restrictions start.
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Vaccine mandates are actually quite commonplace, and in the US it goes all the way back to 1777 when Washington himself required soldiers to be vaccinated against smallpox. And schools have long since required vaccines for attendance. I haven’t yet been asked for my “papers”.
newrepublic.com/article/163122/vaccine-mandates-american-apple-pie
www.fox10phoenix.com/news/history-of-vaccine-mandates-in-the-united-states
Is anyone in this space old enough to remember Prohibition?
It was designed to address an alleged existential threat to society.
Now, we are faced with its functional opposite - a law that REQUIRES you to ingest a substance, rather than prohibits ingestion of another.
Of course, the law’s proponents assert that society faces another existential threat - a virus.
One man’s existential threat is another man’s unalienable liberty.
Irresistable force; immovable object.
This gets more interesting - and more frightening - every day.
Danger, Will Robinson.
The FAA (a government agency) has APPROVED use of the vaccines.
That’s a far stretch from a government agency REQUIRING their use.
You can call it whatever you like Mike. There’s more than one intention here and it’s primary reason is not concern for everyone’s health. It will separate, segregate and eliminate people and that is good. The outlying outcome will make everyone involved in flying happy.
I live in Nova Scotia, Canada. The province is already putting in plans for a “Vaccine Passport” which I would need to show in order to enter a grocery store, theater, gym, or just about anywhere. WTF… at least we have an election next Tuesday! Oh wait, both parties are for this “Passport” system. It won’t be long before they offer an alternative to carrying the passport… perhaps the number tattooed on our inside lower arm, of course accompanied by an RFID chip so they can scan us as we go through the doorways and deny entry to those with an immune system. Comply or become the fringe!
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Over 80 years ago a tyrant ordered a religious class of persons to wear indentifying symbols on their person so they would end up separated from the rest of that country’s population, almost wiping out the entire “class”. The amazing thing to me is that “religious class” (for lack of a better term) is now very quiet over this “vaccine passport” thing. Amazing how people either forget or just ignore history, only to repeat it again.
Canada being an independent country can do wantever it wants, it is their citizens right. But enacting any “vaccine passport” in this country is just wrong on so many levels. Lots of legal scholars have said that almost all of the COVID restrictions are unconstitutional and would not stand up to any court challenge if they were actually brought to court. Sure airline travel is not a right but neither is any government requirement for “vaccine passports” for domestic travel constitutional. That violates several constitutional amendments dating back to the US civil war.
The mRNA Covid vaccines prevent death and serious disease. The virus only replicates within humans. The more it replicates, i.e., evolves, the more it changes into more “successful” (for the virus anyway) variants, such as the Delta variant. The less it is able to replicate the less it will survive. Vaccines prevent that replication and are the way to end the pandemic. This is the way the polio vaccine, tetanus vaccine, and a lot of other vaccines work. Those vaccines have eradicated diseases that used to wreak death and destruction upon their victims. Reading the comments of persons who have survived Covid suggests that this virus produces symptoms ranging from annoying to truly awful including death by asphyxiation. Isn’t it a wise choice to prevent getting this disease? Or are some people really choosing to get sick and die?
Beyond the health benefits there are the financial benefits to the vaccine. The cost of this pandemic has been gigantic. Businesses have closed, trade has been disrupted, growth has been stymied, and the hospital systems have been over burdened treating people who if they had taken the vaccine would never need the extremely expensive treatment in the first place. Treatment in an ICU is very very expensive. A shot isn’t.
Does anyone here remember polio? Or any of the other diseases that used to terrify people because the outcomes were so terrible? And which have been eradicated because of vaccines.
Totalitarian leaders make use of fear; they thrive on chaos and bewilderment; the strategy of fear is one of the most valuable tactics. Obey or you’ll lose your livelihood. 1984.
“Isn’t it a wise choice to prevent getting this disease?”
The key word in that sentence is CHOICE.
I’ll adjust the gain on my irony sensors.
I’m with you Rick, conspiracy anti-vaxxers talk about gene therapy and eugenics like a bad thing. Look it up, there’s no publications showing negative long term (more then three years) effects from mRNA gene therapy. Many famous people have given very powerful lectures proving we can stop human caused climate change with eugenics. You anti-vaxxers need to watch more tax payer funded PBS/NPR for more non-bias facts. Why are people so paranoid?
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Just in case any of the readership is in Rio Linda, pro-choice is not at all the same thing as “anti-vax.”
No YARS I’m not old enough to remember Prohibition but I am old enough to remember polio and small pox and to have participated in stamping them out by having been vaccinated. Those immunizations had zilch to do with totalitarian leaders, neither do Moderna, Pfizer and the others. I’m also well traveled enough to have had an international health card listing immunizations required by various countries, a document as well accepted by everyone in its time as a US passport. In fact the two documents were rarely shown one without the other in many countries. Danger, Will Robinson. Join society. Get yourself vaccinated.
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Actually, the Covid vaccines are some of the notable types that do NOT prevent replication. You can still carry and spread it, you are just less likely to show symptoms (thus making you more likely to carry and spread it to vulnerable people).
With that false assumption removed, your conclusion must change.
Those who support government-forced medical procedures presumably aren’t well versed in history. It’s a really really bad idea.
Personally I am puzzled by pilots who are against COVID-19 vaccination. Safe flying involves managing risk because risk will never be eliminated.
The main way pilots reduce risk is by using the available facts So if some guy on the internet said our C172 will fly 800 nm on 40 gals of gas, or take off in 300 feet, we are going to be sceptical evaluate that claim against what the POH says and our personal experience.
Yet it seems like a significant part of the Pilot population does not seem willing to look at all of the information out there and evaluate it based on all the factual data is available. Instead they are seemingly focused on what one very small anti fax group are saying, take it as gospel and won’t look at any other data sources.
I looked at what the health care professionals and the government agencies are saying as well as what counter arguments are also being presented. For me personally the data is overwhelmingly in favour of vaccination, I had no issue with getting the 2 shots.
Finally the irony for me is the US was way ahead of the rest of the world with a Vaccine roll out because of operation Warp Speed. This was a President Trump initiative and the Liberal media told everyone it was an impossible time line, the vaccine would not work and it wasn’t going to be safe. They were proved spectacularly wrong yet Conservative right wing is now dumping on the vaccine their guy made possible. I just don’t get it.
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What’s funny is that people no longer have any sense of context; they say Trump is Hitler, unarmed yahoos at the Capitol is an insurrection, 0.09 degree temperature rise is cooking the earth and now “covid is polio”.
That is exactly why sensible people have (justifiably) stopped listening to politicized topics and follow their personal experiences and their personal liberty.
It is illegal in the USA for both the government and private business to force you to divulge your private medical history. It’s also illegal to discriminate based on your medical history.
I assume Canada has no protections?
Stu,
While it would seem your position would be in support of Canada’s decision I’d like to comment that Air Travel is not a Right. You cannot find, in the Constitution an amendment, clause, Article, or even subsection that states travel by air is a Right. It is privilege, I can agree, and it is one provided by private businesses. Those businesses can deny your access to their airplanes for many reasons outside the core rights established by discrimination, but having a virus is not on that list.
the funny thing is that I won’t really argue against YAR, or Mike, or the other commenters that have this rather misinformed view of vaccines and/or of COVID. As another pointed out, one would hope pilots would do due diligence when dealing with life situations, but then I read the accident reports, listen to VASIAIR posts on Youtube and realize they don’t as a general rule. So, those folks can have their freedom to not get vaccinated. Works for me.
However, I don’t feel you have a freedom to spread that vaccine to me. Your freedom to get infected does not include a right or freedom to infect others since you have no clue if whom you infect may get a mild case or die from you freely infecting them. Don’t want to wear a mask, you don’t get to fly on a plane and now in Canada, don’t want to get vaccinated, then feel free to exercise your freedom to drive to your destinations. Please note that Canada stated “Commercial”, not GA so if you have a plane, what’s your problem?
What is really wrong are those that try to compare a vaccine passport to somebody’s religion being label over 80 years ago. There is no comparison. What Hitler did was from the mind of a sick sociopath bent on killing people over religion (and race). What is happening today are government’s trying to stop the spread and killing of citizens from a virus that kills, that has killed over 700,000 in this country alone. It is sick to make such a comparison.
I would hope our government, at the very least, require the FAA and who oversees Trains, and buses to require proof of vaccine to move around this country. Again, no one is stopping any freedom to travel, just the type of vehicle. Funny thing, the former President would have no issue with such a restriction, so if it is good enough for the Former President, why is it bad for others?
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The last paragraph is the problem. Any restrictions to travel within the US is a violation of several constitutional amendments. Some of those were passed after the US civil war to prevent states from restricting movement of the then newly freed slaves to the northern states. Medical science in the 1780’s when the Constitution was written is not anywhere near what it is today. It makes our founding members who actually wrote the Constitution look like geniuses, not allowing the federal government to enact more controls using emergency declarations as a disguise, things other governments have done throughout history.
It violates international law against forcing people to be subjected to experimental drugs… but then again, do laws matter anymore?
I guess only if it feels good.
mRNA vaccine technology has been around 30 years of more. The reason it has never advanced beyond the animal testing stage is the animals died after being exposed to the virus after they had been previously vaccinated. Yeah lets go ahead and force this EXPERIMENTAL vaccine on the world. Population control, personal freedoms eroded all in one mandate. I can hardly wait to see who gets to foot the bill for all the lawsuits resulting from being forced to have an experimental vaccine injected into one’s body and then dying from it. It won’t be big pharma nor will it be the government again it will pushed on to the American people to pay for these follies.
You need to examine more sources regarding the endorsement of this vaccine by health professionals because there are probably just as many condemning it as there are endorsing it. I am assuming you still consider Anthony Fauci as a credible health official along with the CDC, both are politically motivated in their guidance regarding the virus
“Isn’t it a wise choice to prevent getting this disease? Or are some people really choosing to get sick and die?
Beyond the health benefits there are the financial benefits to the vaccine.”
Isn’t it also a wise choice to prevent unfit parents to have children? To abort or euthanize those who will or are, a drain upon society?
Beyond the health benefits, there are the financial benefits to abortion and euthanasia. We could even give the process a fancy name: Lebensunwertes Leben
That’s it Canada! I’m boycotting the NHL channel for a month!
Rich, you forget it was first 2 weeks to not overwhelm hospitals, then it was to flatten the curve, then it was masks mandates, then it was to have a vaccine available, then you need a vaccination and masks and now a REQUIREMENT to have a vaccination and a masks or lose your job. THAT is mission creep.
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Air travel is not a right but a privilege.
The ability to travel is a right.
Private medical records are private and the government and private parties have no right to it but since we have no right to fly on an airliner I understand their viewpoint although I disagree with it.
ALSO it is looking like the immunization is not very good. Last (Mayo Clinic) numbers I read were 76% for Moderna, 44% for Pfizer, (against delta) and less for J&J so vaccines may not be worth pushing on people any more either way.
Also masks don’t help much either but they probably do something as at least flu cases are down.
Bottom line is this will be the future. It’s wrong but inevitable as the country and the world shifts to the Left.
I took the family to a winery for lunch after church yesterday and they wanted to see our vaccination cards to let us in.
I HATED it but complied as I wanted to eat there and it is not my right to but they can call the shots on their own winery.
I find it helpful to accept the country and the world have lost their way and give up hope in all leadership except God.
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So you say someone who doesn’t get the vaccine has no right to spread it to you. Do you understand what a vaccine is? If you get vaccinated, why would you care. I had Covid a year ago last March just when this was starting to become a big thing. I have antibodies in my immune system, been around many people and events including Oshkosh and have not had so much of as a sniffle in nearly a year and a half. Why do I need injected with experimental poison, that literally thousands of people have died from? As for masks, in the beginning the CDC was stating they do very little to stop the spread of the virus, until the politician’s got involved and told them what they had to say. If you aren’t wearing an M95 or surgical masks, your cotton face diapers are nearly worthless. I saw pictures of Obama’s birthday bash, funny thing, no masks even though they were mandated where he lives for indoor gatherings. So while the politicians push the panic porn of how deadly this virus is, which has a survival rate of 99.8% if you contract it, and a higher rate if you are not elderly with morbidity conditions, the death rate is much like the seasonal flu. Should we start wearing masks for that also, how about demanding vaccinations for the flu, how about pneumonia also, it kills by the 10s of thousands every year also. This is about control, do as we say, or we will punish you. Funny how they throw actual “science” out the window when it doesn’t serve their agenda.
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If this virus is so dangerous and deadly, why is this corrupt administration allowing nearly 150,000 illegals from as many as 100 different countries, many infected with the virus, to flow across the border unimpeded? Then this morally bankrupt administration shotguns these infected people through the center of the country to towns, and cities where infections rise dramatically. Want to help curb the spike in Covid? Show they are serious about enforcing federal law and close the Southern border, and prevent an invading sick horde from making matters worse.
PBS/NPR, say it all, mostly left wing propaganda that never presents both sides of an argument. Had Covid nearly 18 months ago, and I am doing just fine with antibodies in my system far superior to that non FDA approve experiential juice. Can I use the “Obama Card” instead, you know, masks and vaccines for thee, but not for me and my birthday bash buddies, and oh don’t let pictures get out that we are thumbing our noses at the dirt eating rubes that we order to wear masks and get jabbed. Why would Obama do that if this is such a deadly death sentence of a disease?
My rights don’t end where your fears begin. If it is a public conveyance, sorry, stay home.
Very well said, Mr. Copp.
First, you should care because no vaccine is 100%. Second, the more a virus spreads, the more chances it has to mutate into a form that erodes a large chunk of the protection that the existing vaccines do provide. And third, vaccine (and “natural”) antibodies wear off over time, particularly as the virus evolves.
It was “2 weeks to not overwhelm hospitals”, then the hospitals got overwhelmed. Then it was mask and social-distancing mandates, and suddenly cases started going down and infection rates dropped. Then the vaccines came out and rates dropped further. Then the restrictions were lifted and once again cases started going up and hospitals started to get overwhelmed again. Correlation is not causation, but there certainly is a strong correlation between social distancing and mask mandates and covid infections.
@ Mike Copp August 16, 2021
Much foolish hyperbola and several untrue statements here. The following are just two of the outright lies:
“.experimental poison, that literally thousands of people have died from?” Complete nonsense. There have not been fatal results recorded from the vaccines used in the U.S. None. Zero.
And…:
“…the death rate is much like the seasonal flu.” The seasonal flu outbreaks we experience have never produced over 600,000 deaths in less than two years. Covid19 has. The new surge in deaths could have been prevented if more people had taken advantage of the vaccines available.
I’m old enough to remember polio epidemics, and I’m old enough to remember how mandatory vaccinations destroyed polio and saved untold thousands–probably millions by now–from its crippling effects. That vaccine was crude compared to these modern Covid19 vaccines. I applaud the Canadian government’s action, and I hope more government and private organizations in the U.S. will do the same
The mRNA vaccines (like the Moderna and Pfizer ones) aren’t “gene therapy” (they aren’t altering anyone’s genes), but they are a class of vaccines that haven’t been in widespread use until recently. If you have concerns over that type of vaccine, the J&J is a more “traditional” type of vaccine and is also generally widely available.
Your made up chronological stutter between the actions of science and government rapidly trying to act together to a novel virus not previously seen in humans that was becoming a very deadly and dangerous pandemic comes across shallow, uninformed and aggrieved.
And you did not answer his question - what was the mission, who’s mission was it, and for what purpose?
I already know your answer, but apparently Rich doesn’t, so let’s hear it.
And it is also legal to take your business or money elsewhere when people, stores, or transport want that info or require face coverings or other restrictions!
“It is completely legal for private individuals and companies to ask for proof of vaccination.”
True enough. But try asking someone if they have proof of a negative test for HIV, and watch what happens.
I think that getting vaccinated is a good idea. But I think that REQUIRING vaccinations is a road to tyranny.
Apparently, that’s too much cognitive dissonance for some in this space.
Hold up for a few minutes, guys! I have to go make some more popcorn.
David Gagliardi Quote: “Yet it seems like a significant part of the Pilot population does not seem willing to look at all of the information out there and evaluate it based on all the factual data is available. Instead they are seemingly focused on what one very small anti fax group are saying, take it as gospel and won’t look at any other data sources.”
Is this the “very small anti fax group” you speak of?
Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, epidemiologist, Stanford University
Dr. Sunetra Gupta, infectious disease epidemiologist, Oxford Univ.
Dr. Martin Kulldorff, epidemiologist, Harvard
Dr. Robert W. Malone, inventor of mRNA technology platform
Dr. Peter A. McCullough, former Vice-Chair Int. Med., Baylor Univ.
Dr. Didier Raoult, microbiologist and director, IHU Méditerranée Infection; Professor at Aix Marseille Université
Dr. Harvey A. Risch, Prof. Epid., Yale School of Public Health
Dr. Knut M. Wittkowski, biometrician, 20-year head, biostatistics/epid., Rockefeller University
Dr. Michael Yeadon, former VP of respiratory research, Pfizer.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/covid-19-shadowy-trusted-news-initiative/5752930
What do these media silenced folks know anyway?
The Heck with popcorn,
I’m gonna have 2 shots.
Oh yeah, I already had my 2 covid shots back in the beginning and end of March and I feel great, not turning into a monkey or any of that nonsense either.
So I guess I’ll just sit back and have 2 tequila shots now and keep on reading this subject for giggles.
Seems with the media focussed on one subject or another,with a very disciplined focus,about 70 percent of the human population comes under the sway of their music.Whether it was Stalin with his communist party,Hitler with his national socialists and his man Goebbels in charge of the media,or Jimmy Jones with his loud speakers,they were all able to secure a majority of the human population for their cause.
There are people who believe the goverment should be large and powerfull,thankfully there are people and politicians who believe their country should be strong and free.
Well said Jon T. I’ve always known I was surrounded by idiots, 70% sounds about right.
Very Intelligent human beings,all {100 percent}created in the image of God,according to some beliefs.