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October 2021

maule

I love California, even with its numerous problems, and I’m saddened to hear about the oil slick. I’m sure it will be fixed and cleaned up, although that won’t help the animals and people already harmed or impacted by it.

With that said, why cancel the airshow? Its what people need right now. Governmental reaction to Covid causes so much trouble for so many people. Maybe just let them be happy for a little while and watch an airshow?

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October 2021 ▶ maule

system

The reasoning was that most people watch the show from the beach, which was unsafe.

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October 2021

system

One heck of an airshow. An all day schedule of flying, very impressive and lots of footage from Saturday on Youtube including Thundersbirds, Blues, Snowbirds and many other military and civilian performers. Fantastic entertainment for a rainy day.

October 2021 ▶ system

system

Having walked on a “slicked” beach, it was a good call. That stuff stinks, and doesn’t come off of your shoes, much like road tar.

October 2021

system

It now appears that a ship’s anchor dragged and cracked the pipeline, which is not the fault of the pipeline owner. But it also appears that they had indications of the leak long before they shut things down, which is their fault.

October 2021

system

Oh but it is, Richard. Anyone laying over seventeen miles of pipeline on the sea floor across a busy shipping, fishing, and recreational channel along the LA shoreline, should expect that it could be hit by any number of things. These days, container ships are being parked in that area until the docks can accommodate them. Apparently the fears raised by many over the siting of an oil rig pipeline that close to a major shipping port have come true.

That’s why the FAA has to approve a tower over a certain height within a certain distance of major airports. At some point, someone is going to hit it.

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October 2021 ▶ system

system

Actually Chip, I will agree with Richard in that under water pipelines & cables are depicted on nautical charts FOR the prevention of anchor snags etc.

October 2021

system

Makes sense about the beaches.

Terrible tragedy, and it seems like it could have been prevented and/or mitigated if not for poor performance/planning on the part of certain involved individuals.

Even if much money is spent/lost over this situation, it won’t help the wildlife or the beautiful California shoreline.

October 2021

system

If much of the crowd watches from boats and the beach, then the mess and potential hazards probably justify the action. Having said that, oil is both variably volatile and organic and what does not evaporate is reasonably rapidly decomposed by microbes. CA has a history of natural shoreline oil seeps that are largely controlled and managed by the same entities that are being blamed here. Listen folks, there is no free lunch. You all want to fill your tanks with aviation fuel and it has to come from somewhere. Land and undersea pipelines are constantly being damaged by human errors, just like this one, and it could be the straw that breaks the environmental camel’s back in CA that is the largest petroleum market in the US, and filled with the most environmental lunatics as well. These are the same people who complain that CA’s fuel prices are very high and higher than anywhere else in the US. Most of us require access to various petroleum products and have no recourse or power in addressing the issues. We are hostages but some of us know that we absolutely require petroleum pipelines and are willing to deal with the risks. More avian wildlife is killed by windmills than the occasional oil spill.

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October 2021 ▶ system

system

Dale expresses the voice of reason on this subject, something sadly absent in most discussions these days.
The universe is not stark black & white, everything is rendered in shades of gray. No matter what technique we use to convert & employ energy there are trade-offs, yet we persist in pretending the latest socially approved technique is not just better but is the be all - end all solution. Witness the rush to convert every energy requirement to electricity, but without actually resolving how all that electricity is going to be supplied on a reliable and affordable 24/7/365 basis.

October 2021 ▶ system

system

“…or watch from boats anchored offshore.”

I suspect that they wanted to reduce that traffic, as well.