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February 13

johnbpatson

Cannot have a nice quiet crash in private anywhere these days without some clever clogs filming it and letting the whole world see…
Note to captain in charge of board. Maybe look to see if training in fog is a good idea…

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February 13 ▶ johnbpatson

skane1014

It looks like the pilot did a good job of putting the aircraft in the water. As you can see from the video, the crash location is very near a high-density populated area right on San Diego Harbor. Glad that the ejection worked!

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February 13

Moon

So, not train in bad weather, because all wars happen in “good” weather?

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February 13

slegolf

I’m waiting to hear how big a part DEI played in this.

February 13

Tcart

North Island and Miramar may be on borrowed time. The present government in San Diego is not friendly to the military.

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February 13 ▶ Tcart

hazelgreenacres

Well something is certainly amiss within our military aviation community lately. An Army UH-60, an Air Force F35, and now a Navy EA-18, all within the last 30 days.

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February 13

derflieger

The F18 is a robust aircraft… for it to be lost in normal ops (a conventional land vs carrier)… that approach is offset because of the del Coronado Hotel… disorientation? birds?

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February 13 ▶ derflieger

derflieger

…gear still down is odd. Flown that approach several times.

February 13

rick.freeman100

Video in slo mo shows the flaps and leading edges are up, but the gear is down. Likely stall as soon flaps disappeared. I’d think a missed approach would dictate best climb performance. Partial flaps might be ok, but gear should definitely be up. Perhaps the pilot forgot to stow the gear due to real IMC nerves. Only John McCain could have gotten away with this.

February 13

AVResearch

Crazy, glad to hear their safe!

February 13 ▶ johnbpatson

Chuck-the-Wise

Really? REALLY!!! Note to johnbpatson: do you think a global Navy flying over the ocean stays home when there’s fog?
But you do raise a great point. Just how does someone record a split second event at the exact time and pinpoint location when something like this happens…WITHOUT CGI?

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February 13 ▶ Tcart

Chuck-the-Wise

The federal government has owned and trained at North Island and Miramar for generations. I don’t see why you think San Diego has anything to say about it.

February 13 ▶ Tcart

Aviatrexx

But then where will they film “Top Gun: Geriaverick”?

February 13 ▶ hazelgreenacres

Chuck-the-Wise

…and most likely not. What’s your best guess?

February 13

hmltnrgr1

Spent some time in SD on a sailboat moored near the crash site. I felt 100% more comfortable with the extensive military fixed-wing & helo traffic than I did watching the landings coming in over the top of the buildings downtown.

February 13 ▶ hazelgreenacres

bucc5062

At first I had a similar thought. Then I followed that with, is there data? If there was an increase in military aviation incidents then thinking something is amiss is not wrong.

On the other hand, if military accidents statistically match or are less then public/private accidents in terms of population or miles flown then it could be just that like anything with media these days, any hiccup becomes fodder and especially with attached video.

Somewhere I read that real training time for military pilots was reduced to budget constraints. Flying ain’t cheap whether it is training or actual missions so if you had to cut…

As a taxpayer, when these accidents happened it is hard to not realize that was my tax dollars stuffed into the sea floor and that plane weren’t cheap either so maybe spending a bit more on training would make sense…or we can just blame DEI and brush it under the carpet like our current leaders are want to do…with no data either.

February 13 ▶ hazelgreenacres

Tcart

I think there are more incidents that aren’t being covered in the news. These don’t result in the loss of the airframe, but are costing the taxpayers.

February 13

f4gary

Olympic Diving judges would not give high marks…too much splash.

February 13 ▶ Chuck-the-Wise

rpstrong

Just how does someone record a split second event at the exact time and pinpoint location when something like this happens…WITHOUT CGI?

No different than numerous other crashes that are caught on dash cams, doorbell cams, security cams, etc. It’s not a case of being in the right place at the right time - after all, around 487 other cameras in the immediate area caught nothing.

February 13 ▶ skane1014

derflieger

Apparently my earlier post hurt your feelings? They overshot 29 and ejected at low altitude (the gear was still down) so I doubt there was any heroic steering the aircraft away from population - those event usually include the pilot staying with the aircraft.
So much speculation on so little information.

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February 14 ▶ derflieger

skane1014

It is not necessary to be rude in order to reply. Try to keep it civil. Rude people are everywhere, so, I am not “hurt” at all. I have no way to know if the pilot intentionally maneuvered the aircraft to avoid the populated area, or, if the channel is just where it happened to end up. I am sure that a full report will be made by the Navy after an investigation.

February 14 ▶ Moon

fly4vino

"good job of putting jet in the water "

sound of the bosun whistle - the pilot has left the bridge

In all seriousness we can only embarrass ourselves with speculation at this point. Thankfully the crew is safe and sadly the aircraft now fits the accounting classification of " sunk costs"