And some people believe that airplanes can be “programmed” to fly themselves safely sans pilots ! Not that the pilot made a huge difference here. I thought we’d gotten past “overwhelmed processors” with the Apollo program, too ?? All the more reason for the F-15EX and an upgraded F-16. I personally believe that the F-35 is going to go down as the biggest boondoggle (read $$$$) in military aviation history.
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And to think they are cheap compared to the F-22, B-2, etc.
Hope no more of them crash…
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I wonder if the pilot got a spinning disc – like windows – or a spinning beach ball like a Mac.
If not it should be added to the head up display.
Maybe a spinning parachute would be better…
Erm, 13.2% glideslope? Try AoA.
BTW, I’m also pretty sure the flight manual does NOT call for a 13.2 degree glideslope.
I think the third comma is a gremlin. I read the value as one hundred and seventy five million, nine hundred and eighty three thousand, nine hundred and forty nine currency units. Admittedly, even that’s a bit too high for the advertised fly away cost of $94 million to $122 million per each.
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After all, what’s a few dozens of millions among friends (taxpayers)?
Well, it seems to me that the F-35 is a very expensive boondoggle. Single engine??? It was downhill from there. There must have been huge payoffs to the DOD to get this ‘airplane’ into the inventory. It’ll never be a frontline, dependable fighter.
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I think the comma is in the right place: "The pilot suffered minor injuries and the aircraft (comma) worth $175,983,949 (comma) became a debris field.
(From the 'net: “Use a pair of commas in the middle of a sentence to set off clauses, phrases, and words that are not essential to the meaning of the sentence. Use one comma before to indicate the beginning of the pause and one at the end to indicate the end of the pause.”
Amen to that. The craft has been almost 20 years in service and is still not ready to be a front-line fighter with all the bugs and fixes it has endured. Plus, regardless of whether each plane costs $100 million or $175 million, they are considered too expensive to commit to combat for fear of losing some. If the computer control system cannot handle the inputs from a ham-fisted pilot on landing, how would it handle extreme maneuvers in an aerial dogfight? The F-35 was supposed to be the Swiss Army Knife of the Air Force so they could mothball lesser craft like the A-10, F-16, FA-18, etc. However, like most one-tool-does-all devices it does a lot of things, but none of them well.
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After $175,983,949 for that particular air frame ( remember, we always hear from the military service branch and manufacturer after a few more are delivered their cost per airplane is going down), no one knows who was actually flying the airplane. While the pilot dealt with a misaligned helmet, the auto portion of the approach called “speed hold” was active. Score one for the airplane and it’s systems flying the airplane…pilot zero.
That would account for the flatter angle of attack during the approach 50kts above the recommended touch down speed. Score two for the airplane and it’s auto systems flying the airplane…zero for the pilot flying the airplane.
Aircraft lands hot and flat, with the weight of the airplane not fully on its wheels. I wonder in all the helmet confusion, if he or the airplane actually flared? Was it really PIO or the airplane in “speed hold” approach mode that made the airplane start to bounce/oscillate up and down after touching down on all three vs a standard tail low, on the main’s landing attitude? But we do know both the pilot disagreed with the airplanes automation after rapid control inputs. And the airplane’s automation disagreed with the pilot’s inputs. Score zero for either airplane or pilot flying the airplane…we don’t know.
Finally the pilot applies takeoff, afterburner induced power, hauls back on the stick, and counts to three. No joy for takeoff/go around attitude. Score three for the airplane and its auto systems flying the airplane…zero for the pilot.
Pilot ejects. Score one for the pilot flying his seat…score four for the airplane flying the remaining pieces of the airframe until destruction. Airplane 4…pilot 1 in the whose flying the airplane box score
I wonder if the computer programmers thought of this scenario when that portion of the computer program was written? I am sure we will never really know. Nice to know the seat worked as designed and the pilot is safe.
Some say the airplane is not dependable. I would argue with a 4 to 1 decisive victory winning who is flying the airplane going to the airplane, it was dependable. It was dependable, doing what it was designed and programmed to do. In the light of all that automation, can we say the same thing of the pilot? I would say, dependable automation combined with programming not compatible with an apparent unplanned event such as a misaligned helmet, made a normally dependable pilot look questionable.
Can you imagine what he was responding to in the heads up display during the approach at night into Eglin? That would make the Oshkosh Wednesday night fireworks display look pale in comparison. And all of this happening at 202 kts. A lot more to this story than we currently know. But in my mind, without a doubt, automation answered who was flying the airplane.
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He tried to go around, but the computers said “Land”. Airbus had a similar accident. Fly-By-Wire is not a new concept, but if they’re going to incorporate computers into flight control systems, pilots have to know their limitations and functions.
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I’ll bet old Ike is rolling in his grave.
It’s not just mishaps that will highlight the limitations of these planes. Every time a commander decides to sortie a B-2, F-22 or F-35, even for a milk run, they’re risking hundreds of millions of dollars–even BILLIONS of Dollars–worth of taxpayer funded hardware. They’ll have to think long and hard about the consequences of operating these egregiously expensive planes as combat assets. You can bet only the least defended target environments devoid of enemy fighters, SAM Missiles or just Anti-Aircraft Guns will be selected for those sorties.
B-36, B-47, F-105, F-111, C-23, V-22…You’re in good company. The F-104 was creeping toward that status, but it turned out to be a reasonably good interceptor.
The F-35 FMC Dispatch Rates are dismal. Parts are hard to come by, and they’re not done testing the aircraft, so other issues will appear on the horizon. What is currently being dealt with are dozens of glitches that are defined as ‘Critical’ to resolve for the plane to be combat capable. Concurrency during the acquisition of military aircraft should never be approved, nor should open-ended contracts that allow costs to increase beyond acceptable levels. We must give knowledgeable people a voice in the process of developing and purchasing such aircraft. Mr. Sprey was quite prescient in his predictions about this plane. Mr. Wheeler was also an ardent critic of both the concept and the resulting aircraft.
Back in the early days of the Space Shuttle, when the ALT (Approach and Landing Test) phase was underway, I heard from one of the Shuttle test pilots that the system would not be cost effective, and that the “You Call, We Haul” concept applied to the Shuttle’s commercial value was pure fantasy. Our taxes should not be wasted on such a misguided hubris.
I had a candid conversation with a General Officer acquaintance from my many years at Edwards about this airplane. He was in the SPO logistics chain and flew it. HE says it’s a POS. That’s all I need to know about it. I asked why they couldn’t have just built more F-22’s. He says that they saved the cost of “one engine” so they jammed it into the system on that basis. Huh?
Beyond that, whoever in the USAF thinks the 20mm gun with ~200 rounds of ammo can replace an A-10 with well over 1,000 rounds of armor piercing 30mm ammo needs to have their heads examined. I’m betting there are a lot of grunts who’d like to have a little talk with that person(s), too.
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If you talk to F-35 fans, in particular military pilots or Lockheed employees, they’ll regale you with official-sounding terms and superlatives about how the design is “Maturing” (No bugs have been worked out yet) and they’ll basically rehash information from the sales brochure. What they won’t do is discuss known issues that are preventing the planes from being flown, or components that are not functioning according to their expected capabilities. The helmet is especially troublesome, and the gun installed is glitch-ridden, and would be useless anyway due to its diminutive number of rounds. I would say the exercise which supposedly vindicated F-35 defenders was aptly named, because the data simply does not mirror reality:
“Red Flag”.
Soldiers of the magenta line.
50 knots too fast on approach is the fault of the pilot. You go around before hitting the runway, not afterwards…
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The implication of your comment is that if it had been a male pilot instead it would have been ok
Lockheed was smart (devious?) enough to put subcontractors in as many different congressional districts as possible, thus making it difficult for any Senator or Representative to attemp killing the plane when the costs started rising and problems persisted. The thought of using an F-35 to replace the A-10 as a ground support aircraft is laughable. Besides, as several have said, no commander is going to send an F-35 on a low level strafing run for fear of losing it. We have all seen pictures of a Wart Hog returning from a mission full of bullet holes and some parts shot off, but they still made it home. Try that with the F-35.
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Don’t forget - this outrageous cost is to keep DOD workers employed with the authorization of congress people. (to keep elected)
Fighters are different in that regard. You yank the power, pop the speed brakes and tack-on a little ‘alpha’, and that 50 knots will disappear quickly. I remember a botched maneuver by the Thunderbirds which featured four F-16s in slow flight passing by in a box formation. A fifth plane would pass through that box at very high speed. Something didn’t look right to the fast mover, and he aborted the pass, commencing this action about three quarters of a mile from the formation. It was amazing to witness how quickly the pilot was able to slam the brakes on that hurtling Falcon, and join the formation for their next pass.
Single engine aircraft are a risk, but if the plane can be maneuvered away from guns or missiles, that risk is reduced significantly. The benefits of one engine are lower fuel consumption and operational simplicity. These newer planes have so many advanced systems and powerplant monitoring/alert/warning screens, tones and voices, you can’t miss a malfunction.
The entire F-35 concept–Jack of All Trades, Master of None–doomed the design from the start. The plane can’t dogfight, because its turning capability is nil. Some pilots poo poo that aspect, claiming they’ll just RADAR Identify a target, and Fox One them out of existence. According to Mr. Sprey, the BVR Missile Kill would just as likely be a Cessna, Airliner (Remember Iran…) or Friendly Fire Casualty. The Close Air Support role is indeed laughable, mainly because the airframe cannot withstand the curtains of led which will arise from anti-aircraft guns, Stingers or even assault rifles. In addition, the means CAS pilots employ to spot targets entail tight turns, slower speeds, and Mark One Eyeball Target Acquisition Systems. The F-35 cannot possibly perform such maneuvers. Our taxes are played fast and loose by a congress that is influenced by weapons contractors in the manner you’ve described. It’s time to take a hard look at that cabal, and clean house of big spenders and wheeler dealers.
… and you base these predictions on what?
Perhaps you haven’t read about AF captain Kim Campbell call sign Killer Chick. Flying an A-10, she incurred antiaircraft fire damaging hydraulic flight controls. Without hesitation, she switched to manual mode, cable controls most pilots never encounter in their flying career. Most likely yanking as hard as she can to maintain control. Rather than eject over Baghdad in enemy territory, she wrestled her broke A-10 back to base. Snapshots recorded bullet holes everywhere. She was back in the air in another A-10. Just doing her job.
I might speculate about females in military aircraft. Maybe ‘KC’ feels a maternal instinct to protect her brood on land when she knows they may come in harms way. Females qualifying to perform in combat roles, they may be equal to males without doubt. Females already fly F-18s from aircraft carriers. Never underestimate the power of women. After all, many grandmothers were young women during WWII and worked in industry bereft of men sent off to war. They manufactured aircraft and flew them across the Atlantic to supply pilots with new airplanes. These old biddies are to be remembered and admired no less than the men who went to war. The women now filling combat roles take their lead from those women in the past.
‘Almost 20 years in service’ — FIRST Flight of the first SDD airplane was in Dec, 2015, and Air Force / F-35A IOC was in 2016. No, not ‘almost 20 years in service’ — LOL
RIGHT! Because the F-16 is a great twin-engined aircraft. Oh, no - wait! - its SINGLE-engined, and the US Air Force bought thousands of them, and still uses them, as do over 25 other countries’ Air Forces, world-wide.
20 mm ?? The F-35 only has a GE 25mm cannon
20 mm ?? The F-35 only has a GE 25mm cannon
Interesting choice of words. I bet by the time the pandemic really is over we will speak about any live event or in-person event as “traditional” format. Kind of reminds me of “conventional” landing gear.
And another one bites the dust…
“We are still in unchartered waters”
… So they are Part 91 waters?